[Wobble73]

We already had that argument. If science can't answer it, there's no answer. Religion is a security blanket.

If science can't answer it, it's because we haven't discovered it yet! The maths haven't been done yet!

[el_magnifico]

I've always assumed God was bored one day, so he wrote and compiled Universe.c. He then grabbed a beer, sat down, ran it with some weird parameters, and he's still laughing at the mess he has caused so far.

(No, I didn't watched Matrix. Well, only the first one, and it was many years ago. )

[Snail]

I still think the entire universe is a giant economic/financial predictive simulation run by the Blender Foundation of a similar universe which lags 3 or so years behind ours.

[Scotty]

Tell that to Galileo.

That was silly. Tell it to people who think Creationism should be taught in public schools. They are not understanding the whole science trumps beliefs idea.

*Sigh*

I am in no way, shape, or form defending whatever retard may decide to make it his personal quest to be a retard and keep retarded practices going.  I'm saying that you're doing nothing but stereotyping every kind of decent person who still can believe something created the universe/life/whathaveyou with said retard.

Science does not trump beliefs.  Beliefs do not trump science.  The two can co-exist, and you're just as bad as the people you hate-on for the same reason, just on the opposite side of the fence.

[iamzack]

Science does in fact trump beliefs. People used to believe all manner of silly things which science has proven false. Give it another couple of hundred years, and the rest of the silly things will be proven false. Though, chances are, people will always come up with new silly things to believe.

[el_magnifico]

I still think the entire universe is a giant economic/financial predictive simulation run by the Blender Foundation of a similar universe which lags 3 or so years behind ours.

Hold on! They are using us?

 

[esarai]

I've always assumed God was bored one day, so he wrote and compiled Universe.c. He then grabbed a beer, sat down, ran it with some weird parameters, and he's still laughing at the mess he has caused so far.

ROFL. Reminds me of this:

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

[newman]

People who think evolution didn't happen. Hence the name, "creationist."

For creationists, I'd say evolution is simply something that happened to other people

[Flipside]

Odd, Sharon and I were talking about this at the weekend while I was in Glasgow. Since her mother died of Bowel Cancer, and her father of heart disease, which runs in the family, her opinion is that if mankind was Created, God is **** at designing things.

[iamzack]

My optic nerve coulda told you that.

[Scotty]

Science does in fact trump beliefs. People used to believe all manner of silly things which science has proven false. Give it another couple of hundred years, and the rest of the silly things will be proven false. Though, chances are, people will always come up with new silly things to believe.

I love how you're so absolutely sure of an uncertainty.  Science has often proved its own theories and hypotheses wrong, yet I'd be willing to bet you'd believe they were true up to the very moment they were disproved.

Science cannot trump beliefs, because science and faith are two fundamentally different things.  They serve different functions.

[iamzack]

Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.

And that's the good thing about science. Science is always looking for the real truths. When something we thought true turns out not to be... we accept it and move on! Whereas faith, well, you believe what your parents told you to and then keep that belief forever no matter what anybody else says.

[Flipside]

'Science presented as a religion was the ultimate tool, because the miracle of science is that it works' - Asimov, Foundation

[iamzack]

If only we spent as much on public education as we do on killing other countries' children.

[SpardaSon21]

Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.

So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?

Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.

[el_magnifico]

If only we spent as much on public education as we do on killing other countries' children.

Uh... what!?

[iamzack]

Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.

So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?

Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.

Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.

It's kinda sad you need religion to tell you to be good.

[Galemp]

I love how you're so absolutely sure of an uncertainty.  Science has often proved its own theories and hypotheses wrong, yet I'd be willing to bet you'd believe they were true up to the very moment they were disproved.

See, this is what bugs me about these debates. A scientific theory does not claim to be a universal truth; it is an accurate model of our understanding of the universe, based on the information we currently have. No scientist would claim that we are going to keep any theory forever, because if new and contradictory evidence is found, the theory is modified.

Here's an example: Is 17th century Newtonian physics 'true'? Newton's laws still hold--tennis balls follow parabolic trajectories, objects still have friction, and for 99% of our everyday interactions they work perfectly fine. So then Einstein comes along and discovers that Newtonian mechanics don't completely describe the interaction of masses at the very very large or very very small scales, so he comes up with new formulae that describe them more accurately in those situations.

Einstein didn't 'prove [Newton's] theories and hypotheses wrong.' He built on them, refined them, and made them more complete. Whatever is happening in the universe is still happening, the only thing that's changed is our understanding of it.

[SpardaSon21]

Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.

So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?

Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.

Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.

Aren't poor people usually the religious ones though?

And maybe as a percentage of income, but I doubt many poor families can donate tens of millions of dollars to charity like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can.

[el_magnifico]

Oh! Now I get it, it was posted in the wrong thread. I thought she was accusing religious people of something.
Ok then, sorry.