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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: General Battuta on March 29, 2011, 02:10:21 pm
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#hard-light. #hard-light never changes.
#hard-light has changed. It's no longer about spaceships, campaigns, or modding. It's an endless series of battles, fought by drama whores and the depressed.
Most of the actual modding discussion and FreeSpace talk has moved to #freespace and #bp. Some of the IRClluminati have formed private cabals. #hard-light itself is a bloodbath.
I ask you, people of Hard Light - and I ask this genuinely - should we abandon that channel to be used as a wallowing pit for general bull**** and relationship drama? Or should measures be enacted?
*by measures we mean banning iamzack
**I totally would have done this already but I like mura and I'd feel bad
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Can't we just make a #padded_cell channel? :nervous:
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I clarified the poll options
also I should clarify that whatever the results of this poll we will probably do whatever we feel like
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I clarified the poll options
:P Then I want the ability to change my vote.
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I clarified the poll options
also I should clarify that whatever the results of this poll we will probably do whatever we feel like
Will "enacting measures" actually restore #hard-light to its former role? Since satellite channels have already been created would their subject matter/user base return to the #hard-light channel?
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I'm afraid I can't answer that question until I finish papering my body in sandtrout
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What's wrong with a sort of general discussion channel for hard light?
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What's wrong with a sort of general discussion channel for hard light?
log on to it
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So in a few thousand years we can throw you in a puddle and be free to follow the Golden Path? Free to scatter throughout the irc channels, never again to face complete domination?
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There's nothing wrong with a GD-like channel.
There is something wrong with said channel being taken over by certain people who, despite literally dozens of bannings, are always allowed in.
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So in a few thousand years we can throw you in a puddle and be free to follow the Golden Path? Free to scatter throughout the irc channels, never again to face complete domination?
On that note, starslayer, I'm afraid you're going to be spending a lot of time growing in axolotl tanks
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I vote leave it be. Are things really that bad?
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So in a few thousand years we can throw you in a puddle and be free to follow the Golden Path? Free to scatter throughout the irc channels, never again to face complete domination?
On that note, starslayer, I'm afraid you're going to be spending a lot of time growing in axolotl tanks
Should people visiting a restaurant be allowed to converse with each other about anything they wish if others in the restaurant can hear them, and might not like what they are saying?
Now, should people visiting a restaurant be allowed to debase and demean each other calling each other anything they wish, if others in the restaurant can not hear each other and have decent civil conversation because of all the noise?
In the first case, people might not always be happy. In the second case, they will feel uncomfortable and leave, letting the trolls take over the restaurant.
EDIT: I forgot to point out, in the first case, if you do not allow people to converse freely, the result will be the same as if you allow the second case, that is, they will be uncomfortable and leave, letting power hungry control freaks take over the restaurant.
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Aah. The problem with democracy: A lot of people who you allow to decide lack knowledge on the subject.
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If it's not serving a beneficial purpose to this forum...
Hate to sound heartless, but maybe it's time we started to remember what this site was made for, and why it had to be created in the first place?
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+1
Good point... it is true that this isn't the only way to communicate, and this forum is for a specific purpose.
EDIT: for example, it would be entirely acceptable to eject people having everyday random conversations from a science forum if it was not allowed to have general discussion there.
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Ban iamzack. Seriously, that is like the only real issue with the channel.
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I miss the physics discussions. Dang, I need to chat more...
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well, iamzack has her own channel (#iamzack) which she's usually in, so if she was to be banned, people could always remain in contact if they so wished.
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I used to pop in on the channel every once in a while, but ever since iamzack seemingly became a regular, I've had very little interest in doing so. I try to keep my intake of inane drama-whoring to a minimum, thank you very much.
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Meh, ban iamzack, leave #hard-light. Where else are we going to have excellent discussions about all manner of stuff that isn't freespace? Discussing physics/chemistry/aviation/abstract mathematics is awesome in there.
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I vote for leave it be. But, recommending a channel name adjustment. Currently it's called #hard-light. Why not #hard-light-lounge, or #hard-light-bar or whatever to better fit what actually goes on in there.
Personally, i'm a fan of #hard-light-padded-cell. Not for what goes on in #hard-light of course (i just like the name).This probably wont happen though.
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For those who don't go on IRC, there are a number of IRC channels for the people of Hard Light to go to.
#hard-light, started off as a FreeSpace centric place, but as more people joined it more or less became the General Discussion of HLP IRC
#freespace, started recently for people who wanted a FreeSpace only channel where they could just talk about mods or the game without seeing any drama
#scp, talking with coders or debugging
Plus project specific channels like #scp-fsu, #bp, #diaspora etc etc
The solution isn't another channel. We have enough.
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Just leave it alone. It's not hurting anybody.
Though +1 for banning iamzack.
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Ban iamzack.
Problem solved.
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I'm afraid I can't answer that question until I finish papering my body in sandtrout
Attempting to become the God Emperor of Arrakis?
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i usually go to #hard-light to talk freespace. usually modding scripting or coding. but i go there and its a a wall of drama and flames. sometimes there is some actual tech talk and that is ok. but i dont like that all the real talent has walled themselves off into their own channels for whatever campaign they are working on at the time. so i have to be in 4 different channels and hope they aren't all full of drama queens. so yea, a big fat no drama rule at the top of the channel would really be something i would like. in general hlp is the place i go to to get away from drama and focus on buisness as usual, and iamzack kinda threw a monkey wrench into that. i wouldn't ban her outright, i would just enforce a no drama policy. its a rule that there is no way in hell she is even capable of following, so she would be permabanned in no time.
i always approve of the nuking of things and people.
oh and aliens and dune reference <3
batman just won a million points in my book
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The only reason people aren't talking about that is because they aren't talking about it.
Humans will talk about human matters at some point, the chatroom isn't a conference room for only proffesional work, it's a place for social interaction unless moderated in a different way, which it hadn't been.
If people want to talk about freespace, physics, modding, whatever, just do it.... nothing and nobody is stopping you from doing so, is not like multiple conversations can't be done.
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While I agree in general, this particular social interaction has gotten disruptive.
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For those who don't go on IRC, there are a number of IRC channels for the people of Hard Light to go to.
#hard-light, started off as a FreeSpace centric place, but as more people joined it more or less became the General Discussion of HLP IRC
#freespace, started recently for people who wanted a FreeSpace only channel where they could just talk about mods or the game without seeing any drama
#scp, talking with coders or debugging
Plus project specific channels like #scp-fsu, #bp, #diaspora etc etc
The solution isn't another channel. We have enough.
Ofcourse another channel isn't the solution, what could be the solution is instead make another tab up at the top of the site like #hard-light already has, for those who actually seek the focused discussion about freespace or similar.
See we're at this point where #hard-light IS the de-facto GD for the HLP community, and there's no reason to ban anyone for something that could count as "general discussion".
This whole thing is also really stupid and silly, because I'm pretty sure none of us other than |REDACTED| and |REDACTED| know both sides of the story. Some of us might say we do but that's really just picking sides cause we like one person more than the other.
I say those people actively seeking out to ban |REDACTED| should man-up and approach |REDACTED| themselves and sort the issue out.
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There will always be camgirls and dramawhores, the solution is to simply move good, solid, technical stuff to their own channels, and abandon #hard-light as a place to get work done.
I could see the names getting switched around, much as it has with the forums.
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For those who don't go on IRC, there are a number of IRC channels for the people of Hard Light to go to.
#hard-light, started off as a FreeSpace centric place, but as more people joined it more or less became the General Discussion of HLP IRC
#freespace, started recently for people who wanted a FreeSpace only channel where they could just talk about mods or the game without seeing any drama
#scp, talking with coders or debugging
Plus project specific channels like #scp-fsu, #bp, #diaspora etc etc
The solution isn't another channel. We have enough.
Ofcourse another channel isn't the solution, what could be the solution is instead make another tab up at the top of the site like #hard-light already has, for those who actually seek the focused discussion about freespace or similar.
See we're at this point where #hard-light IS the de-facto GD for the HLP community, and there's no reason to ban anyone for something that could count as "general discussion".
Sure, but imagine logging on to General Discussion and having 65% of the threads be posts by the same person about the same topic (my life is terrible, my ex is an awful person, I am depressed, I have no friends, people don't trust me). That's not cool bro
These are real issues that absolutely deserve weight and compassion, but ultimately we've got to be even-handed about running the channel.
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Oh, dear lord Jesus this ain't happening, man. This can't be happening, man, this isn't happening!
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For those who don't go on IRC, there are a number of IRC channels for the people of Hard Light to go to.
#hard-light, started off as a FreeSpace centric place, but as more people joined it more or less became the General Discussion of HLP IRC
#freespace, started recently for people who wanted a FreeSpace only channel where they could just talk about mods or the game without seeing any drama
#scp, talking with coders or debugging
Plus project specific channels like #scp-fsu, #bp, #diaspora etc etc
The solution isn't another channel. We have enough.
Ofcourse another channel isn't the solution, what could be the solution is instead make another tab up at the top of the site like #hard-light already has, for those who actually seek the focused discussion about freespace or similar.
See we're at this point where #hard-light IS the de-facto GD for the HLP community, and there's no reason to ban anyone for something that could count as "general discussion".
Sure, but imagine logging on to General Discussion and having 65% of the threads be posts by the same person about the same topic (my life is terrible, my ex is an awful person, I am depressed, I have no friends, people don't trust me). That's not cool bro
These are real issues that absolutely deserve weight and compassion, but ultimately we've got to be even-handed about running the channel.
Course it's not cool, but don't you think someone's repeating it cause no one is replying? It's the literal cry for help and someone atleast has to respond, else you will get this sort of repetition.
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Yep, I totally agree, but a public IRC channel about a ten year old video game is not the place, sorry.
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To be fair, I think it lost that notion when the actual channel of #freespace was created
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Even so, there are plenty of other topics being drowned out by psychological assistance for a member of the community who is a member mainly for psychological assistance, and while tolerance of the symptoms of depression is laudable, it can't come at the expense of public function.
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Not denying that. I'm just saying maybe someone should respond to those pleas so the rest of the channel can function as it should?
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#hard-light is super srs bzness
* mura tests the waters
* MjnMixael is now known as tests
* tests come up negative
<Nuclear1> dont do it!
* mura dies of poison
<tests> lol
<Nuclear1> dont drink the waNGGHGHHHHHh
* tests is now known as MjnMixael
<Hero_Swe> don't drink the wang?
<Nuclear1> well dont do that either
<Hero_Swe> http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/29/sword-of-the-stars-ii-developer-diary-3-maturing-the-style/
<Hero_Swe> CANNOT WAIT HNNNNNNGGGGGGGGHHH!
<MjnMixael> XD
<Nuclear1> hey guys, i found the secret to getting the FS3 ri--HNNNNGGGGHHHH
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I never post in general discussion and this might be a mistake:
The thing that is weird about IAZ, is that she has absolutely no interest in freespace whatsoever. I understand general discussion does not have to be about freespace, but why is she so invested in a community which exists for something she cares nothing about?
She floods the channel with tales of her woes, the same exact things mind you.
1. Boyfriend/relationship
2. Drinking/parties/getting lost
3. Random spam for kicks
Begging for discourse or attention or I don't know what exactly.
She sounds like she needs something to do like a hobby or something. I would advise freespace but...
I used to pay attention to the general chat, but I don't really anymore. I just go right to #freespace or #bp and start talking about modding. That #freespace channel was such a great idea.
I say ban her for a month and see what happens, for her own good really to raise awareness. It should not be a big deal if it's only for a set amount of time.
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So in a few thousand years we can throw you in a puddle and be free to follow the Golden Path? Free to scatter throughout the irc channels, never again to face complete domination?
On that note, starslayer, I'm afraid you're going to be spending a lot of time growing in axolotl tanks
Well I'm already a student of the sword and considering my lagging behind in all the technological frills I guess I already have one foot in the man out of time puddle...
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Not that I spend hardly much time there... but to offer my experience to the pool of thought:
If you remove the room, you're probably going to do more damage to HLP by removing the Gen Disc' element.
People will either move somewhere else to continue on like they were, or simply not come around at all. It's been my experience
it's about a 70/30 split in favor of not coming around, usually due to feelings of being rejected by community X or some such. Very talkative
people tend to be more easily affected by things of that nature.
#freespace serves it's purpose of being for FS discussion as it should. #hard-light to me is dead, it serves no point in what I'm here for.
However that's not the case for everyone. Part of a community or forum is the social element. If you restrict things too much, you'll choke
yourself to death. Same way with being the smartest in the room, if you can answer any question that comes up, there's never any "out of the box"
thinking or random discussion. It's sterile and ultimately fails.
So... my suggestion is take care of the people that are causing the problem and/or establish rules to govern the zone.
If there are rules that exist - if they have been broken, then the choice is clear. If they are ineffective, then they simply need revising.
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Hrmph. I don't see why this needs to be discussed at all. If chief or other ops don't have the balls to carry out moderating of the channel, let me. I don't have any problems with booting iamzack and any other disruptive people out, permanently.
I don't really like the #freespace channel that much. I'd much rather restore #hard-light and moderate it properly, then can #freespace.
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I don't know why people think removing the room is somehow in order, that's not on the table.
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I personally am not all that bothered by iamzack, even if that might be due to her XX points. Meh. There are far more obnoxious people on #hard-light than zack that I tend to avoid. Remember, there's always the ignore tool...
In any sense, HLP is a community. #hard-light is the source of that community interaction beyond the forums here. If you've deemed that such a community must be strictly enforced to adhere to specific subject matters, so be it. But, at the same time, you will inevitably loose something for better or worse when you do so.
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I personally am not all that bothered by iamzack, even if that might be due to her XX points. Meh. There are far more obnoxious people on #hard-light than zack that I tend to avoid. Remember, there's always the ignore tool...
In any sense, HLP is a community. #hard-light is the source of that community interaction beyond the forums here. If you've deemed that such a community must be strictly enforced to adhere to specific subject matters, so be it. But, at the same time, you will inevitably loose something for better or worse when you do so.
I think it's worth having some idea what the topic is actually about before you weigh in. Just keep that in mind.
ED: what I mean is you're talking like the Gestapo is about to roll in and enforce a curfew, 'strictly enforced to adhere', jesus christ. It's more of a specific trouble case.
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its just a matter of make rules, enforce rules, problem solved. those who cannot follow some basic rules for behavior really have no place in channel or board. there is acceptable socializing and there is trolling, and moderators should be able to tell the difference.
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Alright, timeout! iamzack is already banned, my only hope is that it will remain permanent and will not be removed like what usually happens to most bans.
HLP is not a democracy. I do not see any reason why #hard-light should be. Hence this should not even be up to discussion, it should have been decided and acted upon by channel operators. Now, is there a problem of authority within channel operators? A problem that prevented this act being carried out by the channel operators?
If no, then why the heck was this topic posted in the first place? If yes, then I believe the channel is lacking some very basic ground rules in this regard. Is it any wonder iamzack was allowed to remain on the channel with disruptive behavior if there is a problem with channel operators authority?
Stop being such a bunch of wussies.
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Stop being such a bunch of wussies.
Huh.
Um.
I remember a thread being posted relating to posts like that...
If you're going to insult other members of the board you'll soon find yourself unable to post in public.
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/me headdesks
Are you seriously taking THAT as an insult? :wtf: It was a strong encouragement to grow some balls. People without balls cannot operate as any sort of authoritative figure.
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HLP is not a democracy. I do not see any reason why #hard-light should be. Hence this should not even be up to discussion, it should have been decided and acted upon by channel operators. Now, is there a problem of authority within channel operators? A problem that prevented this act being carried out by the channel operators?
whatever the results of this poll we will probably do whatever we feel like
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/me headdesks
Are you seriously taking THAT as an insult? :wtf: It was a strong encouragement to grow some balls. People without balls cannot operate as any sort of authoritative figure.
There's a difference between an insult and telling people to do their jobs.
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i dont think i really need to blame the ops. if anything i kinda think we need more channel ops. at any given time i see at most 2 ops, and we cant expect them to be glued to the channel all day looking for trolls.
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whatever the results of this poll we will probably do whatever we feel like
Which has already been carried out in the "whatever we feel like" manner by banning iamzack, we being me however. I didn't create #hard-light for it to become an emotional ****dump for the likes of iamzack.
I better close this topic and instead discuss the matter personally with chief (the current channel owner) at later time.