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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: qazwsx on July 28, 2012, 07:01:48 am
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So, apparently NBC cut from this:
http://deadspin.com/5929778/heres-the-opening-ceremony-tribute-to-terrorism-victims-nbc-doesnt-want-you-to-see
To an interview with Micheal Phelps about how swimmers don't go to the opening ceremonies because standing up for so long prevents them from swimming at their best.
All in all I thought the opening ceremony was bloody fantastic, I was especially pleased by the tim berners lee tribute.
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I was impressed by it too. I did wonder though, how many of the references slipped by those from other nations, since it was very British indeed.
I'm kinda surprised that they cut the 7/7 tribute though. Especially as that wasn't added for no reason, London won the Olympic bid just the day before.
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well its no 9/11 so its not important is it :nono:
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I don't think anyone over here would get the significance of the song (I had to look it up myself), and the group dance was kind of bizarre, but that's still no excuse for excising it completely.
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I did hear about this; The words "PR" and "Whoopsy" come to mind.
No worries... we'll just have the BBC cut the final from coverage of the superbowl or something :P :lol:.
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I did hear about this; The words "PR" and "Whoopsy" come to mind.
No worries... we'll just have the BBC cut the final from coverage of the superbowl or something :P :lol:.
Who cares about the superbowl? ;\ American "football" is panzy-ass rugby anyway :P
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I've seen rugby. It doesn't hold a candle to football in terms of physicality. :p
That aside, the comparison doesn't really work, since I doubt anyone over here would really care whether or not the BBC reported the results. Also the whole silly game vs. serious memorial thing.
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American football could be made at least mildly interesting, with a couple modifications. For example, remove the helmets and the ball; add a large rock to each endzone, and points will be scored by members of one team smashing the faces of their opposing team's members against the rock in the appropriate endzone. Points will ultimately be irrelevant, though, as the team with the last man standing wins. The season ends when the rocks in each team's venue are so saturated that you can, in fact, squeeze blood from those stones. Once the sport gains mainstream acceptance, and the danger of it being dismissed as "too barbaric" subsides, it can then adopt the more appropriate name, Bloodrock. (Also,
probably not a bad name for a death metal band this is actually the name of a 1970's hard rock band, so make sure the sport is turning an adequate profit to pay the appropriate licensing fees.)
Entirely unrelated to that tangent, does the BBC actually waste its time and resources covering the Superbowl? I know it's a big deal to idiots football fans in the United States, but does it actually warrant mention overseas?
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I think the superbowl normally gets a paragraph or two in it's own article on the website but not more than that.
Half-time show controversies are a completely different story though...
Generally speaking, no one gives a crap about the big american sports outside of america, the basketball, hockey, baseball and superbowl leagues and tourneys are never broadcast and rarely mentioned..
The NBA is probably the most frequently mentioned out of them all and you might find it noted a couple of times a year, normally in relation to some story about a player or so, more than the sport..
As far as I actually know for sure, the only country that pays any attention to any of those sports that isn't on the same continent as the US is Japan -> Baseball, but that's basically because the Japanese love the sport.
(*You will of course find individuals who follow these sports occasionally but they either pay premium prices to watch it (sky sports stuff) or follow it online, one of my friends here, for example follows the NHL).
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Hey, the beginning of the clip has music from Brian Eno. I love Brian Eno.
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I think the superbowl normally gets a paragraph or two in it's own article on the website but not more than that.
Half-time show controversies are a completely different story though...
Generally speaking, no one gives a crap about the big american sports outside of america, the basketball, hockey, baseball and superbowl leagues and tourneys are never broadcast and rarely mentioned..
The NBA is probably the most frequently mentioned out of them all and you might find it noted a couple of times a year, normally in relation to some story about a player or so, more than the sport..
As far as I actually know for sure, the only country that pays any attention to any of those sports that isn't on the same continent as the US is Japan -> Baseball, but that's basically because the Japanese love the sport.
(*You will of course find individuals who follow these sports occasionally but they either pay premium prices to watch it (sky sports stuff) or follow it online, one of my friends here, for example follows the NHL).
Basketball is reportedly the most common sport in China, due to it being an affordable sport that most anyone can play. I'm thinking many of your sentiments are not terribly well-informed with regards to all of the contents in your post.
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I can split the sporty sports into a sporty topic, The anti-merican into an anti-merican topic and leave the NBC raping our tragic memorial subject matter in here, but it'd be easier to just try to re-rail it. I missed the ceremony by being
bed-ridden with alcohol asleep. So i don't know what happened. :confused:
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If only everyone had this attitude with terrorist attacks all the time, the terrorists might eventually realize that it's pointless and give up. :p
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I can split the sporty sports into a sporty topic, The anti-merican into an anti-merican topic and leave the NBC raping our tragic memorial subject matter in here, but it'd be easier to just try to re-rail it. I missed the ceremony by being bed-ridden with alcohol asleep. So i don't know what happened. :confused:
the memorial was a picture wall of photos of the ppl who died in the 7/7 bombings
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I fail to see why it should be cut from a telecast/rebroadcast. What was their reasoning? Not to dispute, but so i can hear it out.
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Because it's UNAMERICAN!!
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the olympics are unamerican
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hitting a massive google/youtube fail here but the fourth pic down is from it (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181011/NBC-sparks-fresh-outrage-claiming-7-7-tribute-Olympic-Opening-Ceremony-wasnt-tailored-U-S-audience.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) the sequence consisted of familiy photos fading in then a few moments later fading out. nbc might have needed to put in a little explanation in as what it was for but there was no need to cut it
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NBC's explaination is that they are producing and marketing their coverage for American viewers only, and the tribute was irrelevant to the american market. i can't say i fault them for that. how many americans even know what happened? honestly, i didn't even remember it until this thread.
it's also roughly the same reason they are giving in response to people getting all pissy about tape delays to show stuff in prime time.
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NBC's explaination is that they are producing and marketing their coverage for American viewers only, and the tribute was irrelevant to the american market. i can't say i fault them for that. how many americans even know what happened? honestly, i didn't even remember it until this thread.
it's also roughly the same reason they are giving in response to people getting all pissy about tape delays to show stuff in prime time.
Oh wow. "We expect everyone to sob their eyes out re: 9/11 but idgaf about some terrorist thing that happened in another country"
GG America.
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Oh wow. "We expect everyone to sob their eyes out re: 9/11 but idgaf about some terrorist thing that happened in another country"
GG America.
NBC and America are two distinct entities. The former is a television network and the latter is a set of two continents. You may already know this, but your post leads me to believe that this fact has escaped you.
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Oh wow. "We expect everyone to sob their eyes out re: 9/11 but idgaf about some terrorist thing that happened in another country"
GG America.
NBC and America are two distinct entities. The former is a television network and the latter is a set of two continents. You may already know this, but your post leads me to believe that this fact has escaped you.
And my post was in response to Klaustrophobia's, because I get the feeling that his (And NBC's) apparent take on the situation, that broadly Americans wouldn't know or be interested in the 7/7 bombings, is largely correct.
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And my post was in response to Klaustrophobia's, because I get the feeling that his (And NBC's) apparent take on the situation, that broadly Americans wouldn't know or be interested in the 7/7 bombings, is largely correct.
No, your post puts words in Klaustrophobia's mouth. He never mentioned 9/11, which kind of makes a big difference. Not only that, but implying that all US citizens (which I'll assume is what you meant by "America") are self centred is pretty hilariously ironic.
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And my post was in response to Klaustrophobia's, because I get the feeling that his (And NBC's) apparent take on the situation, that broadly Americans wouldn't know or be interested in the 7/7 bombings, is largely correct.
No, your post puts words in Klaustrophobia's mouth. He never mentioned 9/11, which kind of makes a big difference. Not only that, but implying that all US citizens (which I'll assume is what you meant by "America") are self centred is pretty hilariously ironic.
Oh, the 9/11 reference was summarising the general attitude I've seen towards 9/11, and contrasting it to this treatment of the 7/7 bombings.
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:( NBC doesn't constitute the entirety of America.
I for one think maintaining 'the old good nature and the old good humor between our peoples' is worth while.
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Oh, the 9/11 reference was summarising the general attitude I've seen towards 9/11, and contrasting it to this treatment of the 7/7 bombings.
What you want to do is call NBC americentric. For some odd reason I get offended whenever someone makes sweeping generalizations about groups I'm in.
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:( NBC doesn't constitute the entirety of America.
I for one think maintaining 'the old good nature and the old good humor between our peoples' is worth while.
Family guy does it right :yes:
I'm going to watch this c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y and make sure it doesn't asplode into anything more heated.
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Oh, the 9/11 reference was summarising the general attitude I've seen towards 9/11, and contrasting it to this treatment of the 7/7 bombings.
What you want to do is call NBC americentric. For some odd reason I get offended whenever someone makes sweeping generalizations about groups I'm in.
During an international event? That's beyond self-absorbed.
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The 7/7 bombings received a ton of news coverage in the US--I think NBC's decision has more to do with their contempt for their viewers than with Americans' contempt for international events they aren't directly involved in.
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The general perception, certainly in the UK is that the US as a whole has this attitude of "you will honour 9/11" so when nbc cut out a memorial to a series of bombings that .
1) happened the day after the announcement that London won the 2012 Olympic bid.
2) was executed by the same terror organisation who committed 9/11.
and why did they cut it out? it 'wasn't tailored to U.S. audience' , when combined with the fact that there was an announcement at the start of that segment to say what it was for and surely as America had 9/11 only a few year prior so surely they can understand the us wanting to remember those dead as surely as America would want to remember 9/11 if it was on that day and they had won the Olympic bid.
It all adds up to a feeling by Brits that Americans in general don't care, that's far from a case by case summery of Americans because as you say it's a generalisation but it's a feeling that is difficult to ignore and has left many bitter.
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Yeah, someone summed it up perfectly on another forum.
Imagine the baying for blood that the American General Public would have if you were hosting the olympics, had some memorial for the 9/11 dead in there, and international media cut it because it "wasn't tailored for x nation's public."
You'd probably start another bloody world war.
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It all adds up to a feeling by Brits that Americans in general don't care, that's far from a case by case summery of Americans because as you say it's a generalisation but it's a feeling that is difficult to ignore and has left many bitter.
By all means make those generalizations but why on Earth would you post them in a place where you know people that break that generalization are going to read it? :p
Yeah, someone summed it up perfectly on another forum.
Imagine the baying for blood that the American General Public would have if you were hosting the olympics, had some memorial for the 9/11 dead in there, and international media cut it because it "wasn't tailored for x nation's public."
You'd probably start another bloody world war.
:blah:
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It all adds up to a feeling by Brits that Americans in general don't care, that's far from a case by case summery of Americans because as you say it's a generalisation but it's a feeling that is difficult to ignore and has left many bitter.
By all means make those generalizations but why on Earth would you post them in a place where you know people that break that generalization are going to read it? :p
Because we are human :nervous: :warp:
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Well if it makes y'all a little less vitriolic about self absorbed 'mericans, this one just sent NBC a complaint letter on the subject.
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The 7/7 bombings received a ton of news coverage in the US--I think NBC's decision has more to do with their contempt for their viewers than with Americans' contempt for international events they aren't directly involved in.
This sounds about right.
I'm having a good deal of issues with NBC's coverage as it is, mostly my complaints are "Shut up with the talking, show more sports!"
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As an American, I don't really expect people from other countries to think much about 9/11 when the anniversary rolls around, unless they lost loved ones that day. Because of the way our media works, I'm not all that surprised that there's a sense that other countries would feel "pushed" to remember the day, no matter how Americans themselves might feel about that. I do think that the 9/11 attacks take a pretty prominent place in terms of their sheer scope, and their impact on the events of the last decade internationally, but that doesn't automatically lead to people who weren't directly impacted by them keeping them in mind.
The thing is, while we did get extensive coverage of the 7/7 attacks when they happened, and I was definitely aware of them myself, I couldn't tell you what the date was until this controversy came up, or what year they happened until I checked Wiki. By the same token, though, I couldn't tell you either of those facts about the Oklahoma City bombing without also looking them up. It's interesting how the way in which events impact you personally, and how they become part of the overall culture, affect things like that.
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I'm American and I care. I also don't expect other countries to pay much attention to 9/11. however I did not know what that 7/7 bombings were until I looked it up. Though I hafta say in my defense, I was 11 at the time.
also american media is un-american
and in regards to NBC cutting this memorial I am disappointed. Regardless of where it happened, honoring victims > "not relevant for american audiences"
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Well if it makes y'all a little less vitriolic about self absorbed 'mericans, this one just sent NBC a complaint letter on the subject.
Good on you. I wish a few more of your countrymen would do the same.
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Seconded.
Subject tangent, ?? > Japanese Gymnastics result amendment?
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The media are really excellent at making people angry at each other, indeed at each other's entire country.
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I can't say I'm really upset at this, but I also wouldn't be really upset if they cut a 9/11 memorial for you guys, so.
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I'm an American and I don't give a damn about 9/11. :nervous:
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Ah, the "I'm so hip, I'm so fashionable, I don't care about 9/11" responses. They always make me laugh.
It's one thing to say you don't see 9/11 as anything special compared with other terrorist activities except in scope, but to actually come out and say you don't care about what was basically one of the largest defining events of the first decade of this century simply paints you as tragically ignorant. Why not just tattoo "I'm mind-numbingly self centred" on your forehead and be done with it. :p
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Ah, the "I'm so hip, I'm so fashionable, I don't care about 9/11" responses. They always make me laugh.
You could try actually reading what I wrote instead of kneejerking a reply that's not really relevant to it, y'know. Or just not being an asshole and making an asshole's assumptions about what was meant.
My point is that this doesn't upset me because it's a uniquely national issue in much the same way 9/11 is a uniquely national issue to the United States, and therefore if the BBC decided not to televise a 9/11 memorial in an Olympics here I would neither be surprised nor offended.
9/11 matters to me as an American. But I don't expect you or somebody in Kenya or Indonesia to share that, so in something rebroadcast for domestic consumption there I don't expect such emphasis to be placed on it.
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Who said I was even talking to you?
But I'll say that as a Brit, I WOULD be offended if a country decided to include a tribute in their opening ceremony and my media decided to trim it.
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To be fair, 373 foreign nationals, including 67 citizens of the UK, perished in the 9/11 attacks. So while the US bore the brunt of the casualties that day, other nations have a little emotional investment as well. And as kara correctly pointed out, it has shaped in large part US foreign and domestic policy, which truthfully most nations have felt to some degree or another.
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Thing is, it's not just the fact that it is about 7/7 that annoys me (although that does too). I think it's pretty rude to cut out an entire segment of the opening ceremony and just say "nah, you wouldn't like that". If someone has decided to sit down and watch the entire 3 hour long opening ceremony it's pretty presumptuous to then say "We are the NBC. You will only like the bits of the ceremony we tell you to like."
The fact that it's a tribute to something just makes the insult worse but I'd be bit annoyed if I was watching the opening for any Olympics and they decided to cut bits out.
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Obviously the UK relevance is touching a few nerves, mine included. Thinking a little deeper about it, it is actually a bit egotistical of NBC to 1984'ify the thing. Bloody pompous to dictate, yes dictate is the word, what should and should not be seen.
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I'm just going to interject that I think it's equally as pompous for other entities outside of the US to try to dictate what NBC should show to the US, and that we should be offended that they didn't.
And if we're going to get all pissy about cutting out coverage of the 7/7 attacks, what about the 1972 killings of the Israeli athletesm who were refused a tribute at all? Why is no one throwing ***** fit about that? Surely it's much more relevant, being as how it happened at the olympics.
If you are American and are upset about this, then fine, I understand. If you are just taking this opportunity to go America-bashing, then you can just piss off.
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Who said I was even talking to you?
Be hard to justify your use of the plural "responses" if you're only talking to Aardwolf's single response. Only one other person made a response that could even remotely be described the way you chose, and that was me.
If someone has decided to sit down and watch the entire 3 hour long opening ceremony it's pretty presumptuous to then say "We are the NBC. You will only like the bits of the ceremony we tell you to like."
Are you going to argue that NBC is not at least marginally familiar (after coming up with television from the radio age) with what is and is not of interest to viewers? A major broadcasting corporation so completely out of touch with its viewership should be in trouble! And they're not. You can rage against this all you want, might even be justified on some level, but this bit right here is hilariously poorly reasoned. Their job is to know what people want to watch. It's one they have performed competently for at least the last couple of decades. I'm more inclined to believe NBC as an expert in the field than I am inclined to believe you, all sides failing to present evidence to the contrary.
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Ah, the "I'm so hip, I'm so fashionable, I don't care about 9/11" responses. They always make me laugh.
It's one thing to say you don't see 9/11 as anything special compared with other terrorist activities except in scope, but to actually come out and say you don't care about what was basically one of the largest defining events of the first decade of this century simply paints you as tragically ignorant. Why not just tattoo "I'm mind-numbingly self centred" on your forehead and be done with it. :p
Hip and fashionable? You think I have that opinion because it's "hip and fashionable"? What is this I don't even :confused:
Self centered? Yeah, I didn't know any of the people who died. But maybe that just puts me in a better position to think rationally about it. No, I don't think it's ok that they killed 3000 people. But it's the reaction to 9/11 that has shaped world politics for the past decade, and not in a good way. So when people want to "remember 9/11" I'm compelled to say: Look at the mess you made "remembering 9/11". The less that single event shapes your decisions, the better.
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Dare I Ask can NBC hat-trick the fails? http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/londonspy/tv-interviewer-fails-spot-holyfield-123208876.html
in summery NBC reporter fails to recognise Evander Holyfield despite the broadcaster employing him as a pundit for some of their broadcasting.
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To be perfectly honest I really don't blame NBC at all for that one.
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And if we're going to get all pissy about cutting out coverage of the 7/7 attacks, what about the 1972 killings of the Israeli athletesm who were refused a tribute at all? Why is no one throwing ***** fit about that? Surely it's much more relevant, being as how it happened at the olympics.
Because it happened 4 decades ago and it has nothing to do with these olympic games?
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And if we're going to get all pissy about cutting out coverage of the 7/7 attacks, what about the 1972 killings of the Israeli athletesm who were refused a tribute at all? Why is no one throwing ***** fit about that? Surely it's much more relevant, being as how it happened at the olympics.
Because it happened 4 decades ago and it has nothing to do with these olympic games?
The issue there is that it has infinitely more to do with the Olympics than 7/7 and yet as far as I am aware there has never been an Olympic memorial to the tragedy. As you say it was a long time ago and while it means the international memory fades, in the interests of being fair it means there is a stronger argument for there to have been one, the difference i suppose is that such a memorial will cause unrest in the Palestinian territories which will cause no end of political grief and possibly cost lives, where as no one politically gives a **** if they piss off al qaeda
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And if we're going to get all pissy about cutting out coverage of the 7/7 attacks, what about the 1972 killings of the Israeli athletesm who were refused a tribute at all? Why is no one throwing ***** fit about that? Surely it's much more relevant, being as how it happened at the olympics.
Because it happened 4 decades ago and it has nothing to do with these olympic games?
The issue there is that it has infinitely more to do with the Olympics than 7/7 and yet as far as I am aware there has never been an Olympic memorial to the tragedy. As you say it was a long time ago and while it means the international memory fades, in the interests of being fair it means there is a stronger argument for there to have been one, the difference i suppose is that such a memorial will cause unrest in the Palestinian territories which will cause no end of political grief and possibly cost lives, where as no one politically gives a **** if they piss off al qaeda
I don't mean to sound disrespectful towards any of these events, but how does a terrorist attack on the Israeli team in Munich (even though it was during the olympics) has more to do with these olympics than a terrorist attack in London against... well... Londoners, a day after the London olympic games were given the go ahead?
The fact that the victims of a specific event were never honored has no bearing on what is being discussed.
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This thread is funny.
Not the content... just the posters, and their various arguments.
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I'm just going to interject that I think it's equally as pompous for other entities outside of the US to try to dictate what NBC should show to the US, and that we should be offended that they didn't.
Why? The opening ceremony is a distinct whole. For parts to get cut out is somewhat of an insult to the creator and all those who worked on it. By extension it's also an insult to London and the whole of the UK.
Wouldn't you be offended if you wrote a book but the British publisher trimmed bits out as not of interest to the British public? Wouldn't you be offended if instead they decided to add something else in their place? Something they felt that the British public would prefer to read instead of your writing?
And if we're going to get all pissy about cutting out coverage of the 7/7 attacks, what about the 1972 killings of the Israeli athletesm who were refused a tribute at all? Why is no one throwing ***** fit about that? Surely it's much more relevant, being as how it happened at the olympics.
And the question has to be, why now? We haven't seen tributes to them at other Olympics so why should there suddenly be one at this one? The problem is that there is no connection between the Munich attack and the London Olympics. The way I see it is that when Israel or Germany hold the Olympics they can have their tribute.
And the 7/7 bombings are relevant to London's Olympic bid. They happened the day after London won, just as everyone was celebrating the win. They weren't a random tribute to a terrorist atrocity. For most British people the winning of the bid and the 7/7 bombings will always be linked together. They're not relevant to other Olympics and that's why there wasn't a call for a tribute at the Beijing Olympics.
If you are American and are upset about this, then fine, I understand. If you are just taking this opportunity to go America-bashing, then you can just piss off.
I love this response. The earlier part of the thread spent ages distancing NBC and America and you want to conflate the two again. Why can't someone who isn't American complain about their choice of programming? Especially when other Americans are also complaining about it?
Complaining about some aspect of America != America-bashing.
Be hard to justify your use of the plural "responses" if you're only talking to Aardwolf's single response. Only one other person made a response that could even remotely be described the way you chose, and that was me.
And this is the only thread in the world about 9/11 is it? :D You assume when I say responses that I was actually referring to this thread alone.
What makes your belief that I was responding to you especially hilarious is that I've actually had you on ignore for about 2 months now and I only read selected posts from you. I was totally unaware that you'd even posted on the subject. I'd never bothered to click on the "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post." link from the post you claim I must have been talking about, until you posted something which I suspected was a reply to my post to Aardwolf. At that point I backtracked and noticed you'd talked about it too.
Feel free to claim I must have known what you were talking about psychically. :p
Hip and fashionable? You think I have that opinion because it's "hip and fashionable"? What is this I don't even :confused:
Self centered? Yeah, I didn't know any of the people who died. But maybe that just puts me in a better position to think rationally about it. No, I don't think it's ok that they killed 3000 people. But it's the reaction to 9/11 that has shaped world politics for the past decade, and not in a good way. So when people want to "remember 9/11" I'm compelled to say: Look at the mess you made "remembering 9/11". The less that single event shapes your decisions, the better.
Then say that. That's exactly the point I was making. I probably made it in a tone that came off as a little more confrontational than I meant it but that's what you should have posted in the first place.
It's quite obvious from your response that you do care about 9/11. That's good. My point was that there are people who say they don't care. And that these people are generally trolls and idiots. They post that they don't care in order to get themselves flamed or cause trouble. Why would you lump yourself in with these people? :)
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Going to interject here, if it's okay.
Wouldn't you be offended if you wrote a book but the British publisher trimmed bits out as not of interest to the British public? Wouldn't you be offended if instead they decided to add something else in their place? Something they felt that the British public would prefer to read instead of your writing?
Personally, I wouldn't care. But I don't think that makes me an idiot. I might pull out of the contract if they put something grossly unrepresentative of what I was saying, but I want the readers to like the book too.
And the question has to be, why now? We haven't seen tributes to them at other Olympics so why should there suddenly be one at this one? The problem is that there is no connection between the Munich attack and the London Olympics. The way I see it is that when Israel or Germany hold the Olympics they can have their tribute.
Technically, they both relate to the Olympics. But I agree that there are better venues for politically charged topics than the Olympic Games. A lot of people might take these statements the wrong way as support for the War on Terror or about the supposed looming national security threats out there, while bombings and terrorists attacks are small part of the much greater suffering that happens every day in most poor countries, and is rarely brought up at these events.
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Wouldn't you be offended if you wrote a book but the British publisher trimmed bits out as not of interest to the British public? Wouldn't you be offended if instead they decided to add something else in their place? Something they felt that the British public would prefer to read instead of your writing?
Localization is not an abnormal part of the publishing process. Well, unless you're protected from editors by virtue of your fame or nobody really bothers to give a damn because they want to save the money. Hell, that might even just count as regular editing if you're trying to sell exclusively to the British market. People have their artistic visions with tinkered all the time by other people whose job is to sell the product. Nothing interesting or unusual there.
Also I'm sort of giggling over the fact you have people on ignore, as an administrator, after we had a huge blowout during Batts' tenure as a moderator (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=75238.20) over his doing just that. Apparently nothing was learned from that episode. C'est la vie; let the stupidity roll.
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Also I'm sort of giggling over the fact you have people on ignore, as an administrator, after we had a huge blowout during Batts' tenure as a moderator (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=75238.20) over his doing just that. Apparently nothing was learned from that episode. C'est la vie; let the stupidity roll.
I basically stuck you on ignore cause there was little point in my replying to you. It always ends in some stupid discussion and I have neither the time nor the interest to partake in them. On the occasions you've had reported posts since, I've let others moderate. This is probably the only reason you're still posting. I tend to be much harsher all round than the other admins, so the fact that I haven't been moderating your threads has actually worked out better for you.
If you really want parity with the other posters. I'll give it to you. But it means a weeks ban for calling me an asshole. Same as I'd give any other poster who had done that to anyone else on the board.
Is that really what you want? Or are you just posting this cause I've proved you wrong earlier and you're trying to stir up trouble?
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Sadly, it's been a banner (haha) week for the casual abuse of the British by their American counterparts, but hopefully there is a valuable lesson here that can benefit the entire world: don't
vote for Romney watch TV.
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Also I'm sort of giggling over the fact you have people on ignore, as an administrator, after we had a huge blowout during Batts' tenure as a moderator (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=75238.20) over his doing just that. Apparently nothing was learned from that episode. C'est la vie; let the stupidity roll.
You are taking a single facet of Battuta's misbehaviour here. Is it a good idea for a Moderator to habitually ignore posts? No. Does it make the moderator completely unable to do his/her job? No. Is the desire to not have avoidable conflicts a good thing to have on an internet forum? Yes, absolutely.
Anyone on this board is free to use the provided functions of this board as they see fit, provided this use does not cause disruption elsewhere. Kara using the ignore function in order to insulate himself from getting stressed out is perfectly alright. Battuta using the ignore function to ignore posts by those he judges to be bad posters, but then moderating a thread with a high level of participation by those he ignores, that's bad.
Your unilateral decision to turn "Moderators shall not use the ignore function on pain of privilege stripping" into a thing that exists is neither indicated by what happened in the quoted thread (Specifically, me disapproving of Batman's use of said function), nor is your call to strip Karajorma of his admin position warranted or appreciated.
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Since The_E lacks the ability to give out an monkey, on his request I've switched NGTM-1R's 1 day ban into a monkeying for a day.
I do have to love the irony of being the one actually reducing his sentence. :p
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On that note i'm hoping that everyone can play nice.
Aside from the obvious, it was getting to be quite an interesting discussion.
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I have a feeling that this thread would've gone a lot better if it weren't such a charged subject. I guess the main points at the end of the thread, barring a couple posts that should've been in a PM, were that if NBC thinks that their audience wants to see something, within reason and some topic bounds, it's unrealistic to expect them to show something else. On the other hand, people expect them to show tribute to the 7/7 bombings because 1) it's a tribute to victims of a terrorist attack and 2) it's part of the opening ceremony, but mostly 1.
I honestly don't think there's going to be much good discussion WRT that area. One side wants a for-profit media institution to have shown the tribute, but they didn't, and I doubt they'll be re-broadcasting the opening ceremony any time soon, so there's really nothing left to do but sit here and be mad about everything. (which I guess is what's been happening here already :p)
I'm pretty sure no one's been arguing about this point for a page or so but I'm going to talk about it more anyway because why not: Despite NBC being responsible for putting programming on TV that's genuinely relevant and interesting to and for its viewers, that by no means reflects what their viewers actually think. Before anyone gets in a stink about this think about Fox and all of its subsidiaries. Since when do media giants always reflect their audience? I think this is exactly a case of NBC trying to tell people what they want to watch.
There was also something else I wanted to say but I forgot what it was. Whenever this happens usually the very next post is something that I would've addressed in the part I forgot, too. :(
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Since when do media giants always reflect their audience
Well I'm sure everyone on the entire internet will agree that Fox knew what they were doing when they cancelled Firefly. :p
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Hard Light Productions: "there's really nothing left to do but sit here and be mad about everything."
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Hard Light Productions: "there's really nothing left to do but sit here and be mad about everything."
sounds like a good episode of grumpy old men
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I'm only 30 :nervous:
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I'm only 30 :nervous:
28 here :D
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"Get off my lawn!!! Darn kids!!!"
39 here :shaking: :nervous:
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AW YISS
MOTHER ****ING BRITISH MEDALS.
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I'm only I'm only 30 :nervous:
28 here :D
30 :nervous:
27 'til December.
"Get off my lawn!!! Darn kids!!!"
39 here :shaking: :nervous:
Holy shizzle. :eek:
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And the Australians are really sucking this time 'round. Did this clown, Magnussen, get any air-time in you folks' country?
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"Get off my lawn!!! Darn kids!!!"
39 here :shaking: :nervous:
Holy shizzle. :eek:
There was a 60 something yr old in my old CS clan back in 2002ish
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i remember playing FS2 with a 60-ish year old (at least that's what he said) back in the twilight days of PXO.
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"Get off my lawn!!! Darn kids!!!"
39 here :shaking: :nervous:
Holy shizzle. :eek:
There was a 60 something yr old in my old CS clan back in 2002ish
There are the old,
There are the bold,
Many sources say you cannot be both, but indeed some are,
But then there are just the old, bored, and youthfully inclined towards irrelevant pastimes. :p
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I find it interesting that there are moderation reports still open on this topic.
So, being somebody that is entirely uninvolved with the conversation in any way (and good god, I'm posting in Gen Disc, I need a shower now), I can only hope that things are as settled as they are liable to get. I'll keep the reports in mind, but I will close them for now with the following: If I have to take action (which I'd rather not have to do) then I will, and rank/status be damned.
You may now resume whatever it was that you were doing, so long as it wasn't causing for the moderation reports.
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"Get off my lawn!!! Darn kids!!!"
39 here :shaking: :nervous:
Holy shizzle. :eek:
There was a 60 something yr old in my old CS clan back in 2002ish
There are the old,
There are the bold,
Many sources say you cannot be both, but indeed some are,
But then there are just the old, bored, and youthfully inclined towards irrelevant pastimes. :p
I think I fall into that category! :lol:
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I find it interesting that there are moderation reports still open on this topic.
So, being somebody that is entirely uninvolved with the conversation in any way (and good god, I'm posting in Gen Disc, I need a shower now), I can only hope that things are as settled as they are liable to get. I'll keep the reports in mind, but I will close them for now with the following: If I have to take action (which I'd rather not have to do) then I will, and rank/status be damned.
You may now resume whatever it was that you were doing, so long as it wasn't causing for the moderation reports.
I am trying to work out if I should be impressed or dismayed at the fact that there are reports being made on a thread that hasn't been posted to in 3 days with no "on topic" posts for about 4 days.
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No one made any reports. It's just that no one closed the reports after the issue was dealt with.
Including Zacam who just stated he would. :p
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Hmm. Right. Hit submit before closing the tab. My bad. :D