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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Luis Dias on December 06, 2012, 09:00:38 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BrHlQUXFzfw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BrHlQUXFzfw)
So, thoughts on the obvious trolling by JJ and co. at the end of the (japanese) trailer?
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So obvious I didn't spot it.
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You need a little more Trek Fu then.
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Why don't you spell it out for me, cause if your talking about what I think your talking about, then that's not trolling.
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Come on, that's more than teasing. That's outright trolling. A remake of TWOK's most memorable scene? Ahah, blood will boil in Trekland.
Also, we are almost in 2013. Isn't it time to declare Grittygrimdark over? Come on Sept 11 was eleven years ago already.
(http://i.imgur.com/jAsXC.jpg)
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That looks like it's going to be a marginally retconned/"adapted" Khan as the villain.
Act 1 discovers him
Act 2 he takes a ship and goes straight to earth to take control
Act 3 he's stopped in a battle ON EARTH!!1
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Needs more Cardassians.
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Come on, that's more than teasing. That's outright trolling. A remake of TWOK's most memorable scene? Ahah, blood will boil in Trekland.
Also, we are almost in 2013. Isn't it time to declare Grittygrimdark over? Come on Sept 11 was eleven years ago already.
(http://i.imgur.com/jAsXC.jpg)
Anyone else saw this and thought: Star Trek: Battlefield WT*? LOL.
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they need to pull a kirk borg.
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Also, we are almost in 2013. Isn't it time to declare Grittygrimdark over? Come on Sept 11 was eleven years ago already.
*awesome cool poster*
Anyone else saw this and thought: Star Trek: Battlefield WT*? LOL.
More like "The Dark Star Battlefield Rises 3: Trek"
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It is not Khan, It's this guy. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Garth_of_Izar) Also, thanks for the Over-spoiler of the crashing Enterpise
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I've seen rumors he's supposed to be Gary Mitchell.
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They don't even need a trailer, for chrissakes. They could just go "new trek movie guys" and we'd all go see it.
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needs gargants.
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seems like the last three or four trek movies have sucked. and voyager sucked, and enterprise kinda sucked half way through. so yea, its just more pissing on my childhood for me.
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They don't even need a trailer, for chrissakes. They could just go "new trek movie guys" and we'd all go see it.
Pretty much
Afterall, big screen, space, battles, lasers, surround sound
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I'd say that the reboot was an acceptable movie. Nemesis was terrible, and Insurrection was... forgettable. But before that? First Contact was ****ing awesome.
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Movie Trek felt dead after The Undiscovered Country. ST1, the one which shall not be named, and all Next Generation except First Contact felt they were done for the sake of getting movie Trek money.
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ST 1 is not bad at all. First Contact is a piece of trash that I will never understand how or why is so praised by so many people, nor do I want to.
Regarding this movie, of course I am going to see it, but I think I'm gonna regret this one. I liked the teaser trailer of the previous JJ Star Trek a thousand times more.
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ST 1 is not bad at all. First Contact is a piece of trash that I will never understand how or why is so praised by so many people, nor do I want to.
Regarding this movie, of course I am going to see it, but I think I'm gonna regret this one. I liked the teaser trailer of the previous JJ Star Trek a thousand times more.
I believe the thinking is: Star Trek The Motion Picture was slow, and dull. Seems like a 50 minutes episode (a good one) stretched to fill the movie's run time. First Contact was a fun action movie with lasers and Borgs.
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Needs more Cardassians.
Hell, let's throw Mr. Garak through Spock's time portal and see what happens
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TMP wasn't good. Its a movie full of special effects for their own sake. And shots of people staring at those effects.
Wrath of Khan was amazing, and remains the best. Search for Spock was decent. Voyage Home was good. Undiscovered Country is the only one that came close to 2.
Generations was total crap. First Contact was good, but had issues (Borg Queen was a stupid concept). Insurrection was forgettable and very annoying with its message. Nemesis was wordlessly bad.
Reboot had serious potential but fell short. About on the same level as 3, IMO. The new one could be good as long as they stop relying on outside material for character development and explanations for plot holes.
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The Borg Queen wasn't a First Contact invention. You can blame Voyager for that little gem.
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The Borg Queen wasn't a First Contact invention. You can blame Voyager for that little gem.
Afraid you've got it backwards. The Borg Queen originated in FC and was later imported to Voyager.
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Ah Voyager, SFDebris' parodies in his reviews of the series have made that disgrace watchable for me again. So much wasted potential though. :sigh:
Also, Lord Battuta is right.
Edit: The Borg "Queen" might have been an interesting concept as a sort of fail-safe against weapons like the fractal-unsolvable math equation discussed on TNG as a way to wipe out the Borg through Hugh, though the title "Queen" would have to be changed in my opinion. Again, wasted potential on Trek.
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Eh, 1 was okay if you watched it way back when, it was mostly showing off, but the whole vyger thing was an interesting forwarding of the general trek picture.
2 was great, 3 was bollocks, 4 was by far my fave, 5 was boring, 6 was pink blood and an awesome round or two of shakespeare, I enjoyed generations because it had been a big gap between the movies and I quite enjoyed seeing Kirk and Picard together.
First contact was enjoyable because ITS A TOMMY GUUUUUUUUUUUUUN, and Assimilate this but ruined by "They've adapted (x1000000000)".
Insurrection I didn't really mind too much but certainly wasn't anywhere near the ones I enjoyed.
Nemesis .......Could only really have worked if it was more like the reboot.
The reboot was awesome (aside from completely destroying canon rather than simply suggesting an alternate reality (which is already canon!) ¬.¬).
Voyager was awesome if you knew all the crap they never explained or even reeeeeeeeeeally hinted at in the series.
Ending was rushed, stuff to do with the borg was horrible(turned them into 'just another race' :I).
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Uh but all JJTrek did was suggest an alternate reality :|
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The Borg Queen wasn't a First Contact invention. You can blame Voyager for that little gem.
Afraid you've got it backwards. The Borg Queen originated in FC and was later imported to Voyager.
fc to me kinda ruined the borg for me. up till then it had kinda been a metaphor for communism. add a queen and now its a monarchy which completely invalidates everything we had come to like about the borg throughout tng. this single episode allowed voyager to completely rape the species. the enterprise borg episode was actually pretty good at giving them the tng treatment despite technically being a sequel (or prequel depending in your temporal frame of reference) to fc. **** you trek, **** off and die.
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Hell, let's throw Mr. Garak through Spock's time portal and see what happens
I'd watch that.
Especially the lies.
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Hell, let's throw Mr. Garak through Spock's time portal and see what happens
I'd watch that.
Especially the lies.
i met the guy who played garak at a trek convention a many years ago (**** im old). he was such a badass.
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Hell, let's throw Mr. Garak through Spock's time portal and see what happens
I'd watch that.
Especially the lies.
He'd be running the galaxy within a week.
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really i kinda think the cardassians do kind of deserve a place in a trek movie. they are a pretty good facist analog and would make a cool ww2 in space kinda trek movie, possibly in the mirror universe. they absolutely should do a mirror universe movie, its the only way they can possibly redeem trek. **** this alternate reality ****, at least the mirror universe is tos canon.
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Uh but all JJTrek did was suggest an alternate reality :|
And take a complete piss on everything every previous series and films said about temporal mechanics. And present a cavalier attitude toward death. And-- gonna stop now before I get angry, again.
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It was a superficial and inconsistent sequel to a superficial and inconsistent franchise, what did you expect?
lol at the idea of Trek having anything like a consistent concept of temporal mechanics
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And take a complete piss on everything every previous series and films said about temporal mechanics.
Did you even watch Trek?
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And take a complete piss on everything every previous series and films said about temporal mechanics.
Did you even watch Trek?
Yes. Yes, I did. Considering my strong feelings on the subject, I would expect that to be evident.
I hope that that answers your question, and you won't respond further. Because if you do, you probably should have started with something a little less inflammatory towards me.
It was a superficial and inconsistent sequel to a superficial and inconsistent franchise, what did you expect?
lol at the idea of Trek having anything like a consistent concept of temporal mechanics
I expect them to adhere to cause and effect, which EVERY series did. Even Voyager didn't mess things up THAT badly. (Why, oh why, did they make Voyager....)
This monstrosity simply through it out with the bathwater, as it were.
And that's only one issue.
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I expect them to adhere to cause and effect, which EVERY series did. Even Voyager didn't mess things up THAT badly. (Why, oh why, did they make Voyager....)
Cause and Effect? In a universe that permits time travel? You have got to be kidding me.
Besides, have you seen Enterprise? Cos that basically ****s every last bit of time travel-related continuity....
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Yeah sorry bro, no time travel in Star Trek ever obeyed a set of consistent rules.
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Hell, Janeway even makes a tongue-in-cheek comment about it in one of Voyager's goofy time-screwing episodes. "There's one thing I've learned when thinking about time travel: don't."
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Yes. Yes, I did. Considering my strong feelings on the subject, I would expect that to be evident.
It isn't. Much the opposite, in fact. If you had watched Trek you would have realized that time travel on Trek has never been consistent across any particular series. We remember Voyager but are so eager to forget that it wasn't handled consistently on TNG, it wasn't handled consistently in DS9 because it was approached from the Prophet's perspective, the riots episodes, and the one used in the tribble episode, and ENT didn't manage it either.
So again, I ask, did you actually watch this franchise? Because in suggesting consistent methods of handling time travel, or the existence of a cause and effect basis, you are basically stating that you did not.
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Temporal Mechanics lol
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frankly im supprised their universe hasnt become unstable and collapsed in on itself.
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frankly im supprised their universe hasnt become unstable and collapsed in on itself.
I think Picard fixed that one once.
But lets face it they cant even be consistent with warp speeds with several scale reinventions and even then it getting thrown out in favour of story telling so time travel has no hope.
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As a non-Trekkie, is there a reason why J.J. Abrams's Star Trek might be a bad movie? :confused: I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the franchise to feel that the writers/directors/producer destroyed my childhood by retconning anything. My only gripe was the lensflares, but I thought it was a good movie otherwise. Thoughts?
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Trek was originally meant to be a deep exploration of 'us', TOS sort of did that but TNG was afforded the ability to do this in a 'most true fashion', asking questions about humanity blah blah.
DS9 kinda did this with bashier and garack, and a little with sisko and kiera / odo but not on the same scale.
Voyager sucked at it.
The movies got steadily worse at it (Nemesis was an attempt to meld action and this together and failed spectacularly)
The reboots are nothing like it.
I guess I enjoy'em anyway though.
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As a non-Trekkie, is there a reason why J.J. Abrams's Star Trek might be a bad movie? :confused: I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the franchise to feel that the writers/directors/producer destroyed my childhood by retconning anything. My only gripe was the lensflares, but I thought it was a good movie otherwise. Thoughts?
Taken on its own merits I think it's a bit of a dodgy movie, full of clumsy exposition and unnecessary happenstance. But it does have an incredible opening scene.
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reboot trek seems like an attempt to make star trek into star wars. they threw out all the cerebral geekly stuff over the years. voyager had this annoying knack of taking technobabble to an extreme and trying to pass that off as intellectual wankery. enterprise tried to go back, but the damage was done by then. the reboot was moar explosions, less thinking. i cant really say it was a bad thing, having geeked out on trek all throught my childhood and teen years it was kinda getting old anyway. im curious to see a trek with a bsg kinda feel would be like, and i get the feeling thats what the next one will kinda be.
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Another emo sex in space music crapfest? please no, it was bad enough when star gate tried it :<
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Another emo sex in space music crapfest? please no, it was bad enough when star gate tried it :<
Universe will never be known as a Stargate series
That is all
I'm just going to throw this out there. Reboot Trek is also trying to pull in a new audience. Keep that in mind
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Another emo sex in space music crapfest? please no, it was bad enough when star gate tried it :<
SGU had a godawfully horrible first season and still managed to be the best Stargate series.
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i kinda liked sgu. and series can initially suck and then become awesome, as far as that goes watch the first season of sttng. horrible, ****ing horrible. the first few seasons of deep space nine weren't all that great ether, but it started kicking ass after that.
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In a similar way, Enterprise's fourth and final season was actually really really good, discounting the godawful finale.