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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Akalabeth Angel on December 02, 2015, 02:35:30 pm
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Hey look, another mass shooting in the US. Remember when Columbine was a shock, not a weekly occurrence?
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-34967929 (http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-34967929)
How many people need to die before a country so mired in fear, dehumanization and indifference grows the collective cultural and political will to start caring?
Personally I don't think there is any real number. If Sandy Hook didn't change anything, what would?
So the real question is, what could possibly stop this?
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Mandatory Marijuana prescriptions with all gun sales.
If your test comes up negative, they take your gun away.
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Possibly three shooters with body armor and from the news a bomb possibly being defused.
Sounds like a coordinated terrorist act and not crazy shooter. Now whether it's Islamic or white supremacist or the like who knows.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/reports-of-20-victims-wounded-in-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california/ar-AAfWsdM (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/reports-of-20-victims-wounded-in-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california/ar-AAfWsdM)
A police spokeswoman told the Los Angeles Times that the suspects were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armor, and CBS reported that a bomb squad was on the scene, trying to defuse what was believed to be an explosive device.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/02/the-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-is-the-second-today-and-the-355th-this-year/
Weekly? Surely you mean daily.
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/mass_shootings.png&w=700)
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NASA: ‘We Will Have A Mass Shooting On The Moon By 2055’ (http://www.theonion.com/article/nasa-we-will-have-a-mass-shooting-on-the-moon-by-2-34345)
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Well, either they found these guys or some other lunatics with automatic weapons were running around San Bernadino and Redfield in a black SUV.
Considering it's Redfield, both are equally plausible in my opinion. (Where the devil did the San Bernadino PD get all these Lenco Bearcats? Surely they don't need this many normally.)
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When the Iraq/Afghanistan commitments started winding down the federal government had a crap ton of these things surplus. A lot of them hadn't even been used and I remember the Homeland Security got a bunch. They might have started handing them out to local departments and agencies as well.
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When was the last time white supremacists actually did something other than jerked themselves off in the backwoods? Aside from that church shooting a few months ago I can't think of anything off the top of my head. But I suppose the BLM stuff could get them out of the woodwork.
also, didn't we conclude last time that the majority in America was fine with the mass shooting/gun trade off? I mean this happens often enough it hasn't been that long.
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What pisses me off most about these is that people get all high and mighty about statistically anomalous crazy people going on killing sprees when suicides and accidents make up the overwhelming majority of gun-caused deaths in the US. Reducing homicides much less random mass shootings might be a non-trivial problem, but making guns more difficult to access will have an immediate and noticeable impact on how guns harm normal people, not just the supremely unlucky.
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When was the last time white supremacists actually did something other than jerked themselves off in the backwoods? Aside from that church shooting a few months ago I can't think of anything off the top of my head. But I suppose the BLM stuff could get them out of the woodwork.
Let's ask! (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch)
Five people were shot at a Black Lives Matter rally by a group of soverign citizen/white nationalist wingnuts on November 23rd, and were being arraigned yesterday.
And that's just the most recent and decent-scale incident people are being arrested for.
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I have heard a lot of ambiguity about that particular incident. I can understand why you might not want to indulge me here but if it wouldn't inconvenience you too much could I have another?
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html
"Syed Farook"
gonna go out on a limb and say not white supremacists.
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From that report it doesn't look like terrorism either though. More like "Some people pissed me off so I'm going to kill them."
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One does not simply acquire and equip body armor and fully automatic weaponry for and with three people and massacre an entire office worth of people cause you're "pissed". Despite the the image to the contrary which we do our very best to project you cannot simply walk into a Walmart and buy a fully automatic assault rifle in the US. There are in exsistance gun regulations in the US, and while it's quite possible this guy owned such a weapon he had to have been registered and approved by the ATF IIRC. So not a heat of the moment type of thing.
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One does not simply acquire and equip body armor and fully automatic weaponry for and with three people and massacre an entire office worth of people cause you're "pissed". Despite the the image to the contrary which we do our very best to project you cannot simply walk into a Walmart and buy a fully automatic assault rifle in the US. There are in exsistance gun regulations in the US, and while it's quite possible this guy owned such a weapon he had to have been registered and approved by the ATF IIRC. So not a heat of the moment type of thing.
Once you have it, you can use it in the heat of the moment any time you feel like it. This is kind of the problem with a lot of handgun killings. They're convenient.
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yeah, but still you are going to call up your girlfriend and your buddy and be like "hey wanna go shoot up some kafirs? they just pissed me the **** off today, serving ham at their office holiday party"? and they'll just be like "sure"? I mean does that sound like somthing you think happened? And through going and getting the guns and putting on the body armor and making the bombs they supposedly had (or grabbing them, cause they just had them laying around) and driving there no one thinks to themselves, "Gee you know, I might be dead by sundown"? I mean unless the guy was just generically psycho... no... no that wouldn't explain the team, if it were spur of the moment there wouldn't be an assault team, this doesn't add up they had to have been planning this or something for a while.
I mean, he has a gun in his car, goes out and gets it and comes back in and shoots a few people cause they insulted him, sure I could see that. Hell, I could even see driving home and grabing an assault riffle he just happens to own coming back and shooting the place up. but with two other people? all the rest of the gear? you're nuts if you think that was off the top of his head.
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"assault style" /= fully automatic. To the media it basically means anything that doesn't look like something from colonial times or the old west.
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my understanding was that they had fully automatic, I could very well be misinformed.
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They might have, I don't know for absolute certain. But that link simply said "assault style" unless I missed something. Also, a highly detailed radio news segment on the way home this morning reported specific makes that were civilian-model Smith & Wesson .223 caliber AR-15s, citing the ATF as the source. So my understanding/assumption was semi-automatic.
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You could arguably do much more damage with a semi-auto vs. a full-auto or burst weapon. You end up wasting a lot of rounds. If you keep cool and take each shot, instead of just spraying, you will take down more targets and be more likely to inflict more damage on the ones you hit.
I'm not sure which would be worse in a active shooter situation, however, I think it would boil down to the training and proficiency of the shooter, as you can control the full - auto / burst weapon with training and practice, however, you can also place shots with a semi-auto much faster and more accurately with training and practice. So, really, I don't know which is worse.
I know when I went through boot camp, they never let us use the burst function of our M-16A4s (we go to shoot full auto machine guns later in combat training), with the reason being that you should place each shot. I also know that they are switching from burst to full auto rifles, with the reason that the burst setting alters the amount of travel the trigger has to go for each shot in semi-auto (single-shot) mode due to how the burst mode is implemented (I remember that - you never knew when the hammer was going to fall when firing as it was different every time).
Anyways, to summarize: if the baddie isn't trained well, probably actually do less damage with full-auto as the weapon will travel high due to recoil and be more likely to jam and the shooter won't have practice clearing the weapon. If the baddie is trained has practiced, you are in a world of hurt no matter what fire mode they have available / choose.
To address some recent posts:
Fou can modify the firing pin on any semi-auto to go full auto by filing it down. (AFAIK there isn't a way to manufacture a semi-auto that can't be modified to do this?)
You can also squeeze the trigger so fast that it's pretty much the same as full auto except with more control over aim.
You can also bump-fire a semi-auto, turning it functionally into a full-auto weapon.
Bump-fire vs. fast semi auto shooter, side by side:
Basic operation, and bump-fire demo:
More bump fire:
Semi-auto (NOT bump fire), rapid fire, good demonstration of how fast you can reload, starts at 1:50, note how fast he gets:
Immediate action (clearing jams) explained:
And yes, you can bump fire a plinker as well (Ruger 10/22):
EDIT: Full-auto AR-15:
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So here is more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_fvotWIF8s
And after hearing this message, I remember this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5ZdmGNeR8
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(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/mass_shootings.png&w=700)
Interesting how most incidents seems to congregate around the warmer months, as well as on the weekends. :wtf:
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It's when people have more free time and the weather is nicer. You wouldn't want to go on a shooting spree while it's raining now, wouldn't you?
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I mean does that sound like somthing you think happened?
Could it have happened? Yeah, sure. I mean, it used to be downright commonplace. The local Klan guys perceive some darkies getting uppity and go get their buddies and wreck ****.
You've got some kind of mental block about spontaneous group violence, but it's not only entirely possible, it's actually pretty likely. You just miss the history of peaceful protest going violent, or the fact a lot of US history has occasional instances of people getting liquored up and shooting up their neighbor's houses for no good reason?
Ain't like groups add restraint when it comes to getting outraged. Usually the opposite.
Interesting how most incidents seems to congregate around the warmer months, as well as on the weekends. :wtf:
You honestly seem surprised that criminals are like the rest of us when it comes to when they want to stay indoors. They're not aliens, man. Superbowl Sunday is literally the quietest day of the year in terms of crime, too. (Valentine's Day is the worst, in terms of SWAT callouts.)
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So... are you saying that this guy was in the Islamic equivalent to the klan? If he was planning to attack somewhere, got pissed and decided "**** THE PLAN! IT ENDS TONIGHT!" I could see that. but at that point I think we are splitting hairs in what we are disagreeing about, and I think saying that was an impulsive act at that point is a bit inaccurate.
BTW, http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-main-20151203-story.html
lotsa pipe bombs'n stuff.
maybe I called it early, before I had enough evidence to justify it, but at this point I think it's starting to become undeniable that this was an Islamic terrorist attack, or close enough that any difference would be pedantic.
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They had GoPros, over 5,000 rounds of ammo, pipe bombs, and something was said about their house being set up as an ID facility?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/
(yes I know it's a Fox News link, you can search for the same info elsewhere)
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I had heard the rumor about the rc car bombs and gopros,
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
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As a person living in Southern California, guns didn't cause this shooting. Radical Islam did, and I want President Obama to shut the **** up about gun laws and call a spade a spade.
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call a spade a spade.
...wouldn't have used that particular euphemism myself.
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You are that guy, and you can shut the hell up too. I doubt you're a target of all these executive actions on guns Obama takes due to being a firearms enthusiast and proficient shooter, on top of being a diagnosed high-functioning autistic. I'm ****ing tired of feeling like a goddamn scapegoat.
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yeah, I am being that guy, I'm usually not. just seemed like a poor choice of phrasing that's going to distract from the point you were trying to make, which is has. willing to just leave it at that and let you steer the conversation back to what you were saying because I agree with what you said.
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I don't need to say anymore, just to cap off that as a responsible firearms owner and user I'm tired of getting treated as part of the problem, especially when California already has some of the strictest firearms laws in the country such as bans on magazines above ten rounds, various assault weapon bans, as well as all buyers and sellers need to perform background checks, but if those didn't stop this shooting, what the hell will?
EDIT: I forgot to mention the mandatory 10-day waiting period, too.
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just found out friend of mine had a friend of a friend who died in this. :(
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To add to my previous post about bump fire / semi-auto / etc, if you wanted to see full-auto, see here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw).
just found out friend of mine had a friend of a friend who died in this. :(
:/ Small world. That sucks.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, Bobboau.
Also, this from CBS news:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/)
A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, Bobboau.
Also, this from CBS news:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/)
A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.
What the **** does "A half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area" have anything to do with this? The perpetrator was a US citizen, born and raised in the US. He was not on the FBI watch list, and had exactly zero red flags for potential terrorist activity. Are you seriously suggesting that we should automatically assume an entire broad group of people that are similar based on appearance and appearance alone are potential violent criminals and terrorists because of this?
**** off.
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Well, he'd been to the Middle East recently IIRC, but I think it was Saudi Arabia.. which technically are allies but there's a lot of radicalism there that perhaps was influential.
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@scotty, apparently he had been in contact with some people on FBI watch-lists, that's sorta red-flaggy.
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Well, he'd been to the Middle East recently IIRC, but I think it was Saudi Arabia.. which technically are allies but there's a lot of radicalism there that perhaps was influential.
It's also the one place on Earth that literally every single devout Muslim, violent or otherwise, must travel if they are physically and financially capable of doing so. So again: **** off.
@scotty, apparently he had been in contact with some people on FBI watch-lists, that's sorta red-flaggy.
Hadn't heard this yet. Source?
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I'm very sorry to hear that, Bobboau.
Also, this from CBS news:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/)
A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.
What the **** does "A half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area" have anything to do with this? The perpetrator was a US citizen, born and raised in the US. He was not on the FBI watch list, and had exactly zero red flags for potential terrorist activity. Are you seriously suggesting that we should automatically assume an entire broad group of people that are similar based on appearance and appearance alone are potential violent criminals and terrorists because of this?
**** off.
If you'd bothered to read the article, you'd see the part immediately afterwards where he and his co-workers all thought the group of unknown men doing unknowing things was a suspicious activity, therefore this man chose not to report the suspicious activity based on their appearance and appearance alone.
Also, as a global moderator, you should under no circumstances be using that language in a civilized debate simply because you disagree with my statement.
Also, source for Bobboau: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html)
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You deliberately implied that he should have racially profiled them. Until and unless those people in particular are linked with this I will not soften my language toward what is blatantly racism.
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I must continue to demand an apology, for I am not being racist by saying suspicious activity by suspicious men is suspicious activity by suspicious men, and that deliberately not reporting that because of a fear of racial profiling is showing poor judgment.
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I must continue to demand an apology, for I am not being racist by saying suspicious activity by suspicious men is suspicious activity by suspicious men, and that deliberately not reporting that because of a fear of racial profiling is showing poor judgment.
Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.
You can keep demanding; it's not happening.
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I must continue to demand an apology, for I am not being racist by saying suspicious activity by suspicious men is suspicious activity by suspicious men, and that deliberately not reporting that because of a fear of racial profiling is showing poor judgment.
Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.
You can keep demanding; it's not happening.
You should go take a look at your sarcasm detector; its probably broken.
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hey sparda i think he's victimising you for being so high-functioning autistic that you don't realise how ****ing awful the **** you're saying sounds
maybe you should sue him for discrimination or something
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SpardaSon21: So are you gonna vote for Donald Trump or not?
This is important!
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Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.
Well he might not be a racist scumbag, so maybe not.
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Also, for all the commentary about a racial component, does this really sound like a terrorist target? Paris hit stadiums, concerts, the streets in general; public gathering places.
This was a school, technically, but it was a school for people with developmental or functional disabilities. And they hit a staff holiday party, not a class. The target selection says "personal motive". Maybe the justification was ideological, but the actual crime? That's a hard sell.
EDIT: Syed may have actually worked there. According to some sources, his coworkers identified him to first responders. That makes a purely opportunistic, terrorist agenda very unlikely.
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Because apparently I didn't communicate my statement clearly, let me rephrase it. When there's suspicious activity happening in your area, I think worrying about being racist should be secondary to worrying about the suspicious activity.
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hey sparda i think he's victimising you for being so high-functioning autistic that you don't realise how ****ing awful the **** you're saying sounds
maybe you should sue him for discrimination or something
Kindly phrase your criticism without using personal attacks.
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To answer your question Phantom Hoover, yes, I actually was unaware of how awfully I was communicating my point. I hope my clarification above clears it up.
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Because apparently I didn't communicate my statement clearly, let me rephrase it. When there's suspicious activity happening in your area, I think worrying about being racist should be secondary to worrying about the suspicious activity.
Which would be a fine argument if they were doing anything suspicious. But nowhere in article you posted did it say they were doing anything suspicious other than being Middle-Eastern in appearance.
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Also, for all the commentary about a racial component, does this really sound like a terrorist target? Paris hit stadiums, concerts, the streets in general; public gathering places.
This was a school, technically, but it was a school for people with developmental or functional disabilities. And they hit a staff holiday party, not a class. The target selection says "personal motive". Maybe the justification was ideological, but the actual crime? That's a hard sell.
EDIT: Syed may have actually worked there. According to some sources, his coworkers identified him to first responders. That makes a purely opportunistic, terrorist agenda very unlikely.
My vote right now is the idea that this wasn't the target and they just changed plans shoot it up. Maybe the arguement set it off and he decided to get them first. We know they dropped the baby off, so a plan was in action. The question is did he decide this attack on a whim before going the carry out the main show and was intercepted before? As morbid as it sounds his decision to start there may have saved many more lives elsewhere at a theater or the like.
Of course, it could be that he was a behind the curtain type guy who made bombs and transfered ammo who just decided to do something himself after the argument.
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Going deeper now.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
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California already has some of the strictest firearms laws in the country such as bans on magazines above ten rounds, various assault weapon bans, as well as all buyers and sellers need to perform background checks, but if those didn't stop this shooting, what the hell will?
EDIT: I forgot to mention the mandatory 10-day waiting period, too.
All of which are a complete and utter joke compared to the reasonable firearms controls in literally every other advanced democratic nation on this planet.
Hint: Your northern neighbour has a similar culture, large number of firearms owned, and a not-insignificant gun culture as well, and yet has nowhere near the per-capita number of gun deaths (any cause) or mass shootings as your country does. It also happens to have coherent national firearms regulation of both weapons and owners.
The United States is not going to be able to deal with its high gun death, murder, and mass shootings problem until it deals with the ease of access for anyone to firearms in addition to all the other factors.
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@WeatherOp: Or more shallow. His last direct contact with anyone who's considered a radical was months ago and apparently uninteresting, as far as they know.
Livin' the American Dream, as defined by teenage Republicans: Guns, God, and Blowing Things Up.
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That statement is every bit as valid as "muslims are terrorists."
Seriously, ENOUGH with the "republicans are crazy racist gun fanatics" lines.
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Livin' the American Dream, as defined by teenage Republicans: Guns, God, and Blowing Things Up.
this is a horrible ad hominem, spardason isn't a teenager
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@WeatherOp: Or more shallow. His last direct contact with anyone who's considered a radical was months ago and apparently uninteresting, as far as they know.
Livin' the American Dream, as defined by teenage Republicans: Guns, God, and Blowing Things Up.
I guess that makes the Democratic Teenage dream: video games, virtual relationships and never have to break a sweat? :p
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Because apparently I didn't communicate my statement clearly, let me rephrase it. When there's suspicious activity happening in your area, I think worrying about being racist should be secondary to worrying about the suspicious activity.
Which would be a fine argument if they were doing anything suspicious. But nowhere in article you posted did it say they were doing anything suspicious other than being Middle-Eastern in appearance.
From the article, from the man who said he didn't want to racially profile:
“We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What were they doing around the neighborhood?'” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”
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Which doesn't mean **** because thinking groups of minority people are suspicious happens all the time and most of those result in absolutely nothing.
So sure, you've go someone who, in hindsight, says "yeah they were acting suspiciously", but what he doesn't mention is that group of black guys he thought was suspicious last week, which ended up being nothing.
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so you have someone who has effectively trained themselves not to report any suspicious activity at all.
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Details of this case aside, I do sometimes think how it would be really awkward to end up in a situation where you think someone of a minority/ethnicity/whatever which usually gets treated as suspicious is acting suspicious. It's pretty much impossible at that point to start quickly deep-analyzing your own thought patterns on the spot and know whether you found them suspious only because of their behavior or not, unless it's actually not just suspicious but more like obvious. If you do something, it might be due to their minority/ethnicity/whatever because you're being a prejudiced ass, and if you don't do anything, it'll be due to their minority/ethnicity/whatever because you don't want to risk being a prejudiced ass. :doubt:
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I guess that makes the Democratic Teenage dream: video games, virtual relationships and never have to break a sweat? :p
Probably.
(Actually I suspect it's Guns, Money, and Blowing **** Up, because teenagers are pretty unified in their belief in these things, and also why Klaustrophobia is wrong.)
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I guess that makes the Democratic Teenage dream: video games, virtual relationships and never have to break a sweat? :p
this is a horrible ad hominem, spardason isn't a democrat
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Livin' the American Dream, as defined by teenage Republicans: Guns, God, and Blowing Things Up.
That statement is every bit as valid as "muslims are terrorists."
Seriously, ENOUGH with the "republicans are crazy racist gun fanatics" lines.
this is a horrible ad hominem, spardason isn't a teenager
Klaustrophobia and Phantom Hoover have a good point. NGTM-1R's comment was indirect whereas Phantom Hoover's (earlier) comment was direct, but both were cheap shots.
If you don't want this thread to devolve into rhetoric vs. rhetoric, then don't use rhetoric yourself.
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I just think its hilarious that he's saying I worship God, when in fact I'm pretty resolutely agnostic, inasmuch as one can devoutly adhere to "I just don't know enough one way or the other to be sure."
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I just think its hilarious that he's saying I worship God, when in fact I'm pretty resolutely agnostic, inasmuch as one can devoutly adhere to "I just don't know enough one way or the other to be sure."
That's actually the rational position. Faith is not a theorem, it's a postulate.
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so you have someone who has effectively trained themselves not to report any suspicious activity at all.
From the article, from the man who said he didn't want to racially profile:
“We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What were they doing around the neighborhood?'” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”
Once again. What suspicious activity? Being Middle-Eastern?
It's possible that they were doing something suspicious that wasn't mentioned in the article and in that case he should have reported it regardless of what ethnicity they were. But there are no facts in evidence that they were doing anything suspicious other than being a bunch of Middle-Eastern men he didn't know. You can't report someone for that. And frankly it's really ****ing disturbing to hear you repeatedly claim that he should have.
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And frankly it's really ****ing disturbing to hear you repeatedly claim that he should have.
You're being tendentious. SpardaSon21 made his position perfectly clear in his previous post:
Because apparently I didn't communicate my statement clearly, let me rephrase it. When there's suspicious activity happening in your area, I think worrying about being racist should be secondary to worrying about the suspicious activity.
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Yes, and Karajorma is pointing out that nobody can apparently articulate what this 'suspicious activity' was, beyond the race of the men involved.
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I guess that makes the Democratic Teenage dream: video games, virtual relationships and never have to break a sweat? :p
this is a horrible ad hominem, spardason isn't a democrat
Went right over your head. NGTM-1R said Conservative teenagers are all about guns and blowing stuff up so I jested back that liberal teenagers are all about being weenies who are scared to break a sweat. Everyone loves sterotypes.
Some of y'all need to lighten up and laugh a bit.
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I guess that makes the Democratic Teenage dream: video games, virtual relationships and never have to break a sweat? :p
this is a horrible ad hominem, spardason isn't a democrat
Went right over your head. NGTM-1R said Conservative teenagers are all about guns and blowing stuff up so I jested back that liberal teenagers are all about being weenies who are scared to break a sweat. Everyone loves sterotypes.
Some of y'all need to lighten up and laugh a bit.
I think you might want to double-check that your sarcasm detector is functioning properly.
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I guess that makes the Democratic Teenage dream: video games, virtual relationships and never have to break a sweat? :p
this is a horrible ad hominem, spardason isn't a democrat
Went right over your head. NGTM-1R said Conservative teenagers are all about guns and blowing stuff up so I jested back that liberal teenagers are all about being weenies who are scared to break a sweat. Everyone loves sterotypes.
Some of y'all need to lighten up and laugh a bit.
I think you might want to double-check that your sarcasm detector is functioning properly.
Dude, it never functions.....
I lost that years ago underneath all the junk that multiplies in my house
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Is it still drive by posting when it's FACTS!? (And an attempt to steer the topic back to something politically relevant)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVUUu_uUAAA4sxx.png:large)
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If you post something with the intent of shaping the discussion in some way, but at the same time declare openly that you won't stay around to participate further, only then are you guilty of drive-by posting. At least that's my definition of actionable drive-by posting.
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Ok, so we are done talking about the Islamic terrorist atack in calafornia? That's what I thought this topic was about.
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Yes, and Karajorma is pointing out that nobody can apparently articulate what this 'suspicious activity' was, beyond the race of the men involved.
Exactly.
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ok, well if we are shifting the topic can I ask a question I haven't heard asked. What has changed in the last few years that has suddenly made this a problem? We have more gun legislation now than ever, not a sudden increase, but every few years some more legislation get passed. Guns have not changed significantly in the last 50ish years. Why now all of a sudden? what changed? I don't remember there being any major regulations that have been repealed recently, maybe I just missed it, was there something? is it just the media fanning the flames? is it fluoridated water?
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I just think its hilarious that he's saying I worship God, when in fact I'm pretty resolutely agnostic, inasmuch as one can devoutly adhere to "I just don't know enough one way or the other to be sure."
Help help I'm being oppressed by commentary not directed at me. Return your ability to detect sarcasm, and possibly to read at all considering the followup postings, in its original packaging to the manufacturer.
Goober, you too. Actually, you moreso, considering your eagerness to jump on the issue as though you had something useful there.
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Since 9/11, there were 48 people killed in the US as a result of homegrown right wing terrorist attacks. In the same time frame, there were 45 people killed as a result of homegrown Jihadist attacks. Yet muslims make up around 1% of US population, while right wing recruiting pool (white people? christians? GOP supporters?) is much larger. This is a clear and very significant overrepresentation of US muslims in terrorism.
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html
So certain amount of racial profiling in prevention of terrorism is mathematically justified. Ethically it is arguable, tough. More importantly, the share of muslims in US population doubled over the last decade and is still rising fast. That is what changed recently, and unless this trend is reversed, you can expect more homegrown attacks and more regular terrorist attacks occurring in the future. This is fairly analogous to situation in western Europe, by the way, where a similar transformation is happening but on an even larger scale.
Admitting what the problem is is the necessary first step towards a solution.
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Excellent! Let's enforce more guns restrictions, we will be all safer :lol: :lol: :lol:
Watch out maslo, raise your shield. They will stone you for saying that ;)
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i heard that muslims attract bears, the bears can smell the terrorism
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i heard that muslims attract bears, the bears can smell the terrorism
ah so thats why right to bear arms shall not be infringed
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Careful there maslo, that sounds a lot like the logic behind BLM.
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Like the American police need more reasons to shoot browns and black (bear)s.
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hey police shoot twice as many white people as they do black.
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but polar bear shootings are disproportionately low
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yes but by that logic manbearpig will kill us all.
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Since 9/11, there were 48 people killed in the US as a result of homegrown right wing terrorist attacks. In the same time frame, there were 45 people killed as a result of homegrown Jihadist attacks. Yet muslims make up around 1% of US population, while right wing recruiting pool (white people? christians? GOP supporters?) is much larger. This is a clear and very significant overrepresentation of US muslims in terrorism.
The US media in general has a tendency to call everything related to muslims "terrorists" and everything not related to muslims as "lone gunmen" or "psychotic individuals". The latter are cause for the vast majority of horror caused by these ever increasing shootings. FOcusing on 'terrorism' is not going to help anybody, except perhaps justify the fear that people harbour for beliefs that are superficially different to their own.