[Kazan]

exactly the attitude that microsoft wants

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kazan
exactly the attitude that microsoft wants

Since when did anything MS made actually work properly?

anyways, lighten up.  Methinks you're getting a bit overly vehement on this topic - let us all celebrate the marvel of this futuristic lego that is computer building.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Kazan
exactly the attitude that microsoft wants

[color=66ff00]You don't think you're taking this whole anti M$ thing a bit too far?

Oh well, aldo beat me to it. At least I know it's not just me!
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[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Kazan
i don't trust ANYTHINHG out of nVidia

you know those integrated devices? those are on the PCI bus too - nothing wrong with PCI

I don't have any real problem with PCI either. But if you have decent integrated (not cheap stuff like integrated graphics) then why bother with an add-in card? And some of the newer stuff is integrated right on the South Bridge, bypassing the PCI bus entirely (specifically, the Gigabit Ethernet connection on the NF3 250Gb, which seems to be the first remotely decent nVidia chipset for the A64).

And don't insult nVidia - older nVidia products, at least. The GF4 Ti series wasn't half bad, and beat everything ATI had until the Radeon 9700 came along. Of course, the FX line is the worst travesty in video cards we've seen for a while.

[Admiral LSD]

Originally posted by Kazan
you know those integrated devices? those are on the PCI bus too - nothing wrong with PCI

Not really, not any more. Chipset manufacturers moved away from using the PCI bus as the interconnect between the North and South bridges a while ago (Intel started it with the i810 I believe) and now most integrated hardware (including the PCI bus itself) connects to whatever proprietary bus (which in the case of nForce 1/2/3 is AMDs HyperTransport) they use instead.

edit: Actually, the onboard graphics of the nForce chipsets isn't half-bad. Granted, dependence on system memory strangles performance somewhat but it still similar offerings from Via or SiS into next week.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by redsniper
Mobo: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
CPU: AMD Athlon 2800+
RAM: 512 MB PC 3200
HDD: Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus 80GB (somethin' like that)
CD/DVD: 52x24x52/16x CD burner/DVD ROM
Video: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro'
Sound: onboard
Floppy: yes

Just don't make a .sig out of it.

[Xelion]

I think a link would be more appropriate .

Cool Rig u got there redsniper

[Kazan]

my gripes with nVidia follow:

1) Poor R&D - causing subpar performance, quality
2) Poor Fabrication Techniques - increase chip failure rate
3) Poor resource management [things like having their drivers overclock the board] - increase chip failure rate, compatability down


these are the basic points

[ChronoReverse]

Originally posted by Kazan
my gripes with nVidia follow:

1) Poor R&D - causing subpar performance, quality
2) Poor Fabrication Techniques - increase chip failure rate
3) Poor resource management [things like having their drivers overclock the board] - increase chip failure rate, compatability down


these are the basic points

#1

Explain how this has to do with the NF2 chipset.  We know that the nv3x isn't great, but show how this is true about the NF2.


#2

Not true.  The original nv30 had problems since it was using 0.13 micron tech from TSMC.  The technology has since matured and the problems ironed out.  Moreover, the NF2 chipset is based on a older process and this doesn't even apply.  In fact nVidia is now using IBM's fabs for their chips (since nv35) and there's really no reason to say that IBM's fabs are poor.


#3

Um, the NF2 chipset doesn't overclock the CPU if that's what you mean (if it does, it's the fault of the mobo manufacturer since there are plenty of board where this isn't the case).  If you're referring to their video cards (which doesn't mean anything about the NF2 chipset AGAIN), you should know that the 9800XT from ATI also dynamically overclocks using the driver.  Since they still provide a full warranty, this is a moot point and you'd have to show evidence to the contrary.

[Kazan]

i was talking more in general and more in the GPU market - they ruined their rep enough with me that im not going to trust them to build the backbone of my PC using their hardware

[ChronoReverse]

Meh, ATi used to cheat, they turned out ok (although recent Catalyst drivers are starting to become poor again).

I prefer to look at what they doing for each product and pronounce judgement that way.

Under that, I would never buy a nv3x card (except the 5700U or 5900XT) and I'd never get a NF3-150.

I would, however, trust the NF2U400 since it's proven to be good.



Moreover, when I get a new system this christmas (hopefully) I'll have had more than 6 months to compare the nv4x and the r4xx.  We'll see if nVidia cleans up their act and produces a competitive GFX card.

[Xelion]

Originally posted by Kazan
i was talking more in general and more in the GPU market - they ruined their rep enough with me that im not going to trust them to build the backbone of my PC using their hardware

I would tend to think that nVidia isn't exactly what you expect it to be. Currently for AMD processors in the XP range the NF2 is better then the VIA chipset. The only other course of action which many of us can't exactly fork out the cash for is the VIA KT chipsets available for the new range of 64-bit processors.

[Admiral LSD]

Kazan, you are aware that nVidia and ATi both have their chips built in the same fabs by the same company (TSMC), right?

[Kazan]

Admiral LSB: being built by the same fab doesn't mean they're build to the same specs

[Grey Wolf]

They've been booted out of the IBM foundry, you know. AMD is now taking up all of IBM's production capacity that isn't used for the Power line of chips.