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Offline Zeronet

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Reply #60 on: May 23, 2003, 02:34:44 pm
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Don't give me that crap ;) You know, and I know that argument doesn't hold up. Just because a people once have had territory somewhere doesn't mean that it is theirs forever.


How about this one, maybe the Arab nations shouldn't of INVADED ISRAEL and then maybe Israel wouldn't have all this 'occupied land'(heck the only reason Israeli troops are even in Palastinian towns are because of the damn suicide bombers). Israel got that extra land in a defensive war, against aggressors. Heck, they even offered to give 80%+ of that land back in the Oslo agreement, but Arafat wouldn't accept it.

Don't agree with Settlements though, a lot of them need giving up for this thing to work.
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Reply #61 on: May 26, 2003, 01:29:36 am
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Originally posted by Pez


Don't give me that crap ;) You know, and I know that argument doesn't hold up. Just because a people once have had territory somewhere doesn't mean that it is theirs forever.


Which is the argument the Palestinians are using - "we were here already!"

And Zeronet seems to have silenced all objections. ;)
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