[übermetroid]

Spoiler for the Matrix Comics...

Has anybody read the comics?  On one of the storys that Machines fight Aliens!  I am telling the truth!

The story is a good read so I suggest you get the comic and read it...  If not I guess I could post a write up about what happened...  

[diamondgeezer]

Well, Aliens turn up all over the place. I assume you mean Aliens as in 'Alien' and 'Aliens' and so forth, anyway. I belive Superman fought them once...

[Nico]

Originally posted by ubermetroid
Spoiler for the Matrix Comics...

Has anybody read the comics?  On one of the storys that Machines fight Aliens!  I am telling the truth!

The story is a good read so I suggest you get the comic and read it...  If not I guess I could post a write up about what happened...  

surely not in the original comics, the one from which the movies originate ( which barely even explains what the matrix is, you just get a couple hints here and there, and you never get to see how it is outside of it ).
As for the trilogy thing, that's bull****, the W brothers claimed they planed a trilogy AFTER the first one was a hit. If they really did plan 3 movies, what's with the rush to get the two others out? That makes no sense, they would have done the sme as Jackson did for the LotR trilogy, they would have shot all the scenes at the same time, then refined the CGI stuff later, releasing one movie after the other. Think that if they did the normal way, you'd only just get the second movie right now. Would you be that hot to get the third one in ne year? After the big disapointment of the second opus? I think not. That's all marketing.

[Nico]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Well, Aliens turn up all over the place. I assume you mean Aliens as in 'Alien' and 'Aliens' and so forth, anyway. I belive Superman fought them once...

Superman did, and so did Tarzan and terminator ( that's true ).
I wonder if Bugs Bunny didn't fight them at some point

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Nico
If they really did plan 3 movies, what's with the rush to get the two others out? That makes no sense, they would have done the sme as Jackson did for the LotR trilogy, they would have shot all the scenes at the same time, then refined the CGI stuff later, releasing one movie after the other.

And I guess by that logic the team behind Space : Above and Beyond only planned one series and just left us on a cliffhanger cause they were bastards.

It is fully possible that they wanted to make three movies, planned and even partially wrote 3 but only recieved the money to make one.

Have you any idea how hard it was for Jackson to convince the New Line to make three films in a row knowing that they would be out of poicket if the first one bombed? And that was with a book that has been voted best book ever written on several occassions!

[Nico]

You're joking, right? You probably know that for matrix reloaded alone, they had more cash than Jackson for his whole trilogy? limited cash my ass.
As for convincing New Line, there was no such thing. They would agree, or they wouldn't. It's not coz Jackson would say "come on, it's gonna be great!" that they will let him do it. They studied the possibilities, and they decided it would work. That's it.
If matrix was planed as a trilogy from the begining, everybody would have known it before the first movie started. It's exactly the same deal than with Starwars. In each case, the first movie works well as a standalone ( and in the matrix case, it still works well as a stand alone movie ). They left it open ended in case it would be a hit, but that's it. Matrix plot was well thought, the 2 and 3 are rushed. I repeat: RUSHED. They would have spent more time on the plot, and less on the CGI, the movies would have been better.

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Nico


Superman did, and so did Tarzan and terminator ( that's true ).
I wonder if Bugs Bunny didn't fight them at some point

Marvin the Martian

[an0n]

Originally posted by Flipside
Marvin the Martian

I don't recall ever seeing him burst through anyone's ribcage.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Nico
You're joking, right? You probably know that for matrix reloaded alone, they had more cash than Jackson for his whole trilogy? limited cash my ass.
As for convincing New Line, there was no such thing. They would agree, or they wouldn't. It's not coz Jackson would say "come on, it's gonna be great!" that they will let him do it. They studied the possibilities, and they decided it would work. That's it.
If matrix was planed as a trilogy from the begining, everybody would have known it before the first movie started. It's exactly the same deal than with Starwars. In each case, the first movie works well as a standalone ( and in the matrix case, it still works well as a stand alone movie ). They left it open ended in case it would be a hit, but that's it. Matrix plot was well thought, the 2 and 3 are rushed. I repeat: RUSHED. They would have spent more time on the plot, and less on the CGI, the movies would have been better.

 Mentioning Star Wars was a really bad choice. Are you really claiming that Star Wars was planned as a single movie and then expanded into a trilogy (and then later 6 movies?). Your post doesn't make it clear but if so you're going to get stomped all over by warsies for that one.

 Apart from the Episode 4 thing at the start Star Wars looks exactly like a stand alone movie. The reason being that they couldn't get the backing to shoot all six movies. They got enough to make one. When that was a success they got the money to make more. Had Star Wars not been a success they wouldn't have.

All your arguements against the Matrix are all based on your personal opinions of the movie. You don't raise a single concrete example of why the same thing that happened to Star Wars couldn't have happened to the Matrix.

Besides I remember reading an article BEFORE the matrix came out where the W brothers said it was a trilogy.

[an0n]

Star Wars WAS planned as a single movie. But being like he is, Lucas conjoured up the back-story so his universe was more stable and coherant with better motivation and flow.

He never intended to make more than 1 film, he just wanted everything in that film to seem as though it was part of a larger universe as opposed to everything just happening within the scale of the movie.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by karajorma


Besides I remember reading an article BEFORE the matrix came out where the W brothers said it was a trilogy.

HA!

so you remember reading that too.  good, now i have backup

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Nico
If they really did plan 3 movies, what's with the rush to get the two others out? That makes no sense, they would have done the sme as Jackson did for the LotR trilogy, they would have shot all the scenes at the same time, then refined the CGI stuff later, releasing one movie after the other.

Yes, because everyone can take the risk of investing hundreds of millions of dollars with no guarantee of making a profit.

Originally posted by Nico
Think that if they did the normal way, you'd only just get the second movie right now. Would you be that hot to get the third one in ne year? After the big disapointment of the second opus? I think not. That's all marketing.

"Let's release the third movie right after the second, because otherwise people will notice the story sucks and won't give us more money."

That seems like quite some marketing, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Nico
You're joking, right? You probably know that for matrix reloaded alone, they had more cash than Jackson for his whole trilogy? limited cash my ass.

That statement also makes perfect sense, because they obviously can see the future, like the Oracle. That way, they knew the movie would make money before they even started working on it.

[Knight Templar]

Err.. Lucas originally had a 9 - 12 hour movie, and then script left over. For obvious reason he had to segment it into the trilogy, then he took a break I think to raise his kids or sommat before doing the first three.

Watch the interviews in the THX edition tapes.

[Nico]

Whatever, seems you know the Truth, so think what you want, I know my facts and don't need to convince you.

As for StarWars, just to point out:
first release was dubbed starwars. period.
second release was dubbed episode 1
third release finally got episode 4.
wheeeeeeeeeeee. but probably I made that up, or maybe that was all part of the plan.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by 01010


I must admit, I do like the way a lot of the film is open to interpretation,

Doesn't that translate to 'full of plot holes'?

[diamondgeezer]

IIRC from the THX edition interviews, Lucas said that he named New Hope episode 4 because he knew there was stuff that came before it but he hadn't figured out quite what at the time. This is a really ghey argument by the way, so I'm putting some distance between me and this thead from now on.

[Stealth]

naaa, it's more like a discussion