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Offline Stryke 9

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Levy: Um, yes, they do. Quite plainly so on the first count, if you bother to pay attention to the one string of long-winded exposition in the entire ****ing series that is worth paying attention to in the slightest; evidently entirely so on the second except for one scene; and debatably so on the third. Do you just enjoy being wrong or something?

Metroid: Yeah, they can say that, but they specify New York several times, and even if they didn't, there's all of maybe three cities on the planet that look like the one in the Matrix did and that sure as **** ain't anywhere in Asia. Basically, whoever made that claim was talking out of his ass, it's pretty damn obvious specifically where they are, it's just that the directors were on ****ing crack for the latter two movies and didn't know what the hell they were doing half the time.

UT: True, but for something of global scale, you'd expect at least a nod to global reach. Like I said previously- is there any logical reason why everything of any even passing importance would be clustered in New York? It's not so much a question of why not New York as why be restricted to one place when you're trying to save the world? Especially when a good chunk of that world-saving involves wandering pretty much aimlessly for at least one movie?

 

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Well, sorry then. I guess I've watched some kind of obscure version of the movie, in which all your points are invalid. How very odd.

 

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Or they could just be in a computer world...:rolleyes:

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Damn...  I'm not cool enough to know what that means...  :mad:
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damn 1337 n00bs ;)

 

Offline Levyathan

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And on a side note, I did not know New York had billions of inhabitants. Guess I should start to make sure that I know what I'm talking about before posting, huh?

 

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I still don't think it took place in a fake New York.  I am going to have to watch 1 and 2 to see what I missed.
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Well, I finally watched it.

And I liked it. More-so than Reloaded.

The only problems I have with it are the editting and the final 2 scenes.

There coulda been a more simultaneous feel to it instead of shifting drastically from one plot-line to the other the way it did. And the way the kid declared the war over was a little....I dunno, just kinda ghey somehow. The final scene, with the Oracle and the kid, was waaaaay too cliched for my liking. They shoulda done away with all the cutesy bits and just had the Architect's bit and the Oracle saying something profound.

As for the editting in a wider context, just re-arranging some stuff between Reloaded and Revolutions woulda made both films a whole lots better.

Really, I think all it suffers from are the final 2 scenes and a lack of flow. But I suppose it's hard to inter-mix everything when the characters are all apart, doing their own distinct thing.


Oh, and the Machine God. I'm not happy at-all with the way that situation and 'character' was presented. Something more akin to the Architects' room woulda been better, with hundreds of little machines chiming dialogue, all slightly outta sync. That way it'd've given more of a sense that he was speaking to the whole machine race as opposed to just chatting with the server.

It's just the few little nagging things that bring it down a notch.

But overall it kicked ass.

On-par with the original for watchability, if not lacking in the philosophy of it's predecessors.


And in regards to Neo, he is dead, there's no doubt about that. But he died inside the Matrix, so the essence of The One goes on. And I think that thing was less of an honour-guard and more of a "liquify the dead and feed them intravenously to the living" robot. Though I suppose it could be argued that he'd just saved both races from annihilation so they'd wanna dispose of his remains in a respectful manner.

Anyway, it's 8:57am and I've been up for 14 hours so a more indepth study of the film is going to be put on my [never]-to-do list.
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Anyone else get an occasional strong "TRON" vibe from Revolutions? There were a couple occasions where I expected a character to say, "Greetings, program!" And that bit where someone says, "Neo. He fights for us.", sounded more than a little like, "Tron. He fights for the users."
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hmm..  i've been thinking about revolutions and the architect's little spiel at the end of the reloaded.  the architect said Neo was to return to the source to save humanity.  I'm thinking that the "source" was not actually the door on the right, but the machine city where Deus Ex Machina is (God from machine, rather fitting ;)).  When neo went to the city he saved humanity for the time being.  This may have been already said in this thread, but i haven't read that much
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hmm..  i've been thinking about revolutions and the architect's little spiel at the end of the reloaded.  the architect said Neo was to return to the source to save humanity.  I'm thinking that the "source" was not actually the door on the right, but the machine city where Deus Ex Machina is (God from machine, rather fitting ;)).  When neo went to the city he saved humanity for the time being.  This may have been already said in this thread, but i haven't read that much


My take on this is that the door on the right really did lead to the Source, but Neo, being the sixth One who was destined to take a different path than his predecessors, managed to find a different route to the Source/Deus Ex Machina.
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......They both lead to the source you fools. The right door lead straight to the machine city (where he would've just been killed by the machine), while the left door lead to the path to the machine city (where he had a chance to stop the war).

By taking the path, he was able to pick up Trinity (whose purpose was to take him back to the machine city and to show him that eventually you just had to let go and die) and give Smith time to become a problem (so he'd have a bargaining chip). By chosing to save Trinity instead and not to fight the source (left door), he stopped the overall fight.

Basically, by taking the long-route to the Mecha-God he let things fester.

And even if he had gone to the source, he was having trouble blowing up a bunch of those killer-slugs and a few Sentinels. There'd've been no way he coulda taken out the city and/or defended Xion with his powers.
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......They both lead to the source you fools. The right door lead straight to the machine city (where he would've just been killed by the machine)
Uhh... no. The doors existed in the Matrix. The machine city is in the real world. For a virtual door to lead to a real-world location would have been quite a trick. Also, I thought it was fairly clear that the One wouldn't be killed after entering the Source, and in fact had historically gone on to found the next iteration of Zion.
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I didn't mean literally that he'd be there. But he'd be able to screw with the real-world machines through the link, like how he screwed with the Matrix. But as I said, they'd've just electronically raped him.

And the reason all the other One's went on to found the next Xion was because they never had as much love for their Trinity as Neo did.

Everything for them went exactly the same, except for that through Trinity, Neo learned that eventually you have to risk everything to do what's really important. So where the other Ones just ignored the Machine City and tried to defend Xion (and failed) and/or to retake the Matrix, Neo left Xion to be possibly wiped out in the hopes that he could stop the war once and for all.


Granted, the order of my theoretical chain of events is a little outta-whack, but I'm too tired to fix it up any.
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Keep going you are on a role....  Try to find out WHY the machines decided to keep humans alive, was it just for power?  or to annoy anybody that got free?

Oh, and to you really think that ALL the humans are in the Matrix?  There has got to be a few that were on the Machine team from the very beggening.  Maybe the got spared and lived downunder?  :wtf:
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I just started watching it over again and I've come to my first new point of interest:

I now know what that robot was at the end, the one that carried Neo away.

It was the black guy from the train station. Ramakandra.

He's the "power-plant's systems manager for recycling operations". Which means it's his job to keep those 'liquify the dead' robots doing the right job(s). And since he's a big, powerful, middle-management type who lived in the city, the big-ass robot was probably his body.
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And the Oracle DID manipulate Smith.

Merovingian suggests that the "eyes of the Oracle" cannot be taken and must be given.

So she let Smith take her and see the future, knowing full well that he'd not be able to see any further than she had. That the premonitions would be halted at the battle and he wouldn't see himself being destroyed. But she still knew he'd be destroyed, not through her precognative abilities, but through her beliefs.
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And Neo (nor any of the other One's for that matter) have ever chosen the Source-Door in the Archtect's room.

I summise this because the Oracle tells Neo that when he downed those Sentinels at the end of Reloaded, he was touching the Source and that, because he wasn't ready for it, it should have killed him. Now I'm guessing diving into the Source through the door is a lot worse than grazing it through the odd Sentinel.
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Also, it's the Oracle's fault Smith got so much power. She engineered the whole thing.

By showing Neo that he could have so much power, she unbalanced the equation, knowing that the Architect would grant Smith a ****-load of extra power to try and rebalance the equation. All leading to Neo having a bargaining chip when meeting with the Machine God.
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I now know what that robot was at the end, the one that carried Neo away.

It was the black guy from the train station. Ramakandra.

He's the "power-plant's systems manager for recycling operations". Which means it's his job to keep those 'liquify the dead' robots doing the right job(s). And since he's a big, powerful, middle-management type who lived in the city, the big-ass robot was probably his body.


That does make sense actually but I thought it was the machine god who took in Neo's body (could easily be wrong though).

Might explain why the Oracle was so certain that Neo would be back.
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