[Stealth]

Originally posted by SadisticSid


She deserves all she gets, and I hope no-one offers any sympathy. The whore doesn't deserve it.

you mean she does deserve it, right?

It's possible to get through university without support from parents or scholarships, well, here in the US anyway, i wouldn't know what it's like in the UK, etc.  you can get student loans fairly easily, and (as was mentioned) the harder you work in high school, the better chance of getting a good scholarship.

my friend's enrolled in Rice University.  Rice is one of the most respected and high-class universities in the State, one of the best in the nation, its fees can be in excess of $50,000 (in exceptions, usually it's $30,000+), and i know a few people that go to it, some who aren't rich by any means.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

New Labour - "We want 50% of college leavers to go to University"

"How will you achieve this?"

"By putting the cost up, of course!"

[Setekh]

This is a saddened state of affairs.

[Liberator]

There's a difference between "college" and "university" in Europe?

Here in the States, the two are interchangeable.  Usually a "University" costs more and offers a bit better variety of classes than a "College" does.  Of course, here in the States most towns(< 5000 citizens) have an a source of Post-Secondary Education within driving distance(usually about 10-15 miles, though I once knew a guy that drove 60 miles every Thursday for one class that was just over an hour long.)

[Fineus]

There is indeed a difference - we have a range of names for the different education sections (at different ages). It goes something like this:

Reception / Nursery:
Kindergarten... for the first few years of your life in education.

School:
Junior / High School and in some places College as well (depending on the place it can run from Junior right up to leaving College - or it might just be a Junior School only).

College:
Not University but at around 16 / 18. Some High Schools go through to the College section of things as well, but there are also completely separate Colleges that deal with only these two years of your life. It's at this stage that you choose a University and apply - the grades you get here determin what choice you have in Unis.

Possible "gap year":
Between school/college and Uni - children can elect to take a year out of education to earn some money or travel and see the world (or both). This is what I'm currently doing. Note however that unless you work full time and hardly spend any money there's a poor chance that you can get enough money to completely cover Uni expenses.

University:
At about 18+ University starts and can last up to five years (depending on the course... some are three years - others are longer). The girl in question in this thread needed the money to pay for the tuition fees at this stage of her education. Those applying for Uni next year in the UK will have to pay top-up fees every year which is a new additional cost being bought in by the Government that pretty much everyone is pissed about. I narrowly miss out on having to pay this (I start my Uni course this September).

Hope that answers things!

[Nico]

That's England, it's different in about every country in Europe, don't generalize.

[Fineus]

My location says I'm from England - sorry if I'm mistaken but I gave you credit to have enough intelligence to work it out for yourself

[Nico]

Originally posted by Liberator
There's a difference between "college" and "university" in Europe?

There, do you get what I mean?
If I said it was engalnd, it's obviously coz I read it from your location

[Fineus]

...

It's to early in the morning for me to be assed with this. Lets move on, K?

[Nico]

yeah

[Setekh]

Australia seems comparable to that.

Pre-school
4 years old = Pre-school, one year

Primary school
5 years old = Kindergarten
6-11 years = Grade 1-6

Secondary school
12-17 years old = Grade 7-12

Tertiary education (ie. university)
18 years+

And after that, you can stay within the institutions of education as long as you want.

[Flaser]

Hungarian system is like this:

KIDS:
Nursery 2-4 for years old
Kindegarden for 4-6 year olds
PRIMARY EDUCATION:
Primary School 6-14 years old + 4 years if you want to take
maturity exam there
SECONDARY EDUCATION:
Secondary School 10-18,12-18,14-18 - you can go for 8,6,4 years.
TERTIARY EDUCATION:
University 4-5 years, higher degree
High School 3-4 years, lesser degree

both give high level diplomas

You can get 1 diploma with state financiation.

[Liberator]

Well to clarify the way is works over here:

5-12 year old attend Elementary School(grades 1-6)
13-18 year olds attend Secondary Education or High School(grades 7-12)
Most of these are publicly funded and free(mostly) for all children to attend.  Most of the Public School systems suffer from gross misappropriation of funds, translating into $10,000+ being spent on a per child basis according to state papers, less than a quarter of that tends to make to the level where the child see a benefit, there are too many levels and people to take from the pot before it gets to a local level.

Everything past 12th grade is considered post-Secondary education and is an individuals own personal business.  The Government does offer low-interest loans and several Grants(which are given based on demonstrated need).

At a "College" the tuition and fees are usually low enough so those loans and grants can cover most if not all of them.

A "College" focuses on the first four years of post-Secondary education, and most of those are Community/Junior Colleges that provide only two year degrees.  These mostly have student populations under 3000.

A "Univeristy" on the other hand offers Masters and PhD level programs.  These could have student populations of as low as 10 or 12 thousand or as many as 30,000+(like Auburn Univeristy).

[Jiggyhound]

at 16, im even worried about univeristy fees myself. I hope to go there to study art and design  in three years time once i leave college, but even now im thinking of beggining to save money for the time ahead with the part time job i have. indeed, it is a sad state of affairs in britain.

[Knight Templar]

U.S. = Australia

We just (for the most part) seperate grades 7 - 8 from High School (9-12)

[01010]

£8000 for her virginity, I know plenty of women that'd pay me to do it for them.

Ha ha ha

[Petrarch of the VBB]

That model that Thunder posted is pretty accurate, but it still depends on where in England you live. For instance, for me it was thus:

Nursery: 2-4
Infant's School: 4-7
Junior/Primary School: 7-11
High/Secondary School: 11-16 (Although I was 15 when I left, due to the last year being shorter and all that)
College (Where I am now): 16-18
Then Uni: 18-whenever

[elorran]

While I have conflicting views over this matter of what happened to the girl I also feel a need to point out the difference for those people who have brought up the point 'paying' for ones own education.

Firstly to the matter of 'oh by my parents did them selves'.  With all due respect, so what.  That was then and this is now, the world has changed a lot in the last few decades and it's a lot harder to find a job these days to boot as well both in the US and in the UK (and the rest).

Secondly, the education systems in the US and the UK are quite different in their overall structuring and working mechanics.  Sure there are similarities, but it's a lot more difficult here in the UK to work to pay for an education and study that education at the same time.  This is partly down to how our nations economy is structured.  Despite out nations size and limited population compared to that of the US and other large countries, we still remain one of the highest economically powerful nations on the planet as well as having the fourth largest industrial economy in the world.  That is no small feet by any means and takes a lot of alterations and unique ways of doing things when compared to many other nations (which for those of you interested is why we have VAT on just about everything and our beer and petrol costs so frickin much).

Thirdly, the average US family is three times better off than the average UK family.  This is down of several issues including each countries economy and current state of affairs, but it's also down to how life styles have developed over the last 20-30 years both in Britain and in America.  And because if this we find ourselves down in the dumps more often because we allowed it to be this way from the start (and later down the line it's usually to hard to change given the surround environment and situations).  So as you can understand from this alone providing ones self with an education that you are working to pay for yourself and at the same time is quite a task in itself.