[an0n]

Yup, they just mask it behind issues of popular opinion.

[Bobboau]

a lot of the race based... "you will be a minority in your own nation in twenty years" type things, at least the ones people over here use on ocasion, mostly treat racaly mixed people as not-white in order to get there numbers, as people come into a new nation they usualy intermarry within two generations with the native population, the big race/natianality thing we have in the US is mexicans, hispanics make up the fastest growing minority and a lot of republicans use this as a way of getting votes, they say things like "there comeing here to hijack our culture" and there are a few places were this can be seen (only enough to be used as political fodder), but most people immigrateing assemelate right in. now it's not to say that we don't have an imigration problem, our borders are totaly out of control, but some people will use stuff like this to wip people up into a furvor of stupidity.

[Tiara]

I think people misunderstood me. I meant a bit of extremism, not extreme Nazi Extremism.

Extremism isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes it's needed to counterbalance the current state of affairs. I don't say you have to like it, but it's needed.

An example;

Iraq with Saddam was a prime example of extremism. What was needed? The opposite of Saddams extremism to counterbalance it. And before everyone start *****ing, yes, it was America that took an extremist position when it decided to invade Iraq. Just a different kind of extremism.

Most people think to polarized about extremism. Extremism can come in ANY form. Not just extreme left and extreme right. Thats the main thing about the world today, it's become too black & white. You need to see other options to move on.

[aldo_14]

Isn't the whole point of extremism viewing the world in black and white?  As in 'we're right and you're wrong' with no room for compromise?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Isn't the whole point of extremism viewing the world in black and white?  As in 'we're right and you're wrong' with no room for compromise?

If you're the nazi-saddam or islam/bible type extremist, yes.

But extremists can also be groups/people who believe in something that is just plain needed in today's world. Something that needs to be changed. A one-time change I might add. Like the current state of affairs in which corruption is really starting to take it's toll, the government ****s up all the time, etc etc.

The way I see it, is that there are three types of extremists;

Religious extremist: Well, that's self explainatory.
Totalitarioan extremists: Also self explainatory.
Progressive extremism: This kind of extremism is based on changing the world for good. It might be a hard concept for some to put 'good' in the same sentence as 'extremism'. But it exists. Like America took an extremist position to free Iraq. (Although they mainly ****ed that up in the aftermath by going totalitarian on Iraqi asses with the whole prison torture deal ).

[SadisticSid]

I was discussing withdrawal from the EU with my more politically learned friend, and apparently withdrawal from the EU would allow us to keep the free trade and do away with the bureacracy and European influence over British law. Oh, and let's not forget the huge savings the British Government would have - in the region of billions a year just from not paying the member fees.

Tiara, if you're complaining about voter apathy, I don't see it as a problem. Certainly there should be no enforced voting crap like Australia has. The right to participate in democracy is one of its most important ideals, and if people don't want to vote for any political entity because none of them are compatible with their own ideology, then allow them to abstain.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by SadisticSid
Tiara, if you're complaining about voter apathy, I don't see it as a problem. Certainly there should be no enforced voting crap like Australia has. The right to participate in democracy is one of its most important ideals, and if people don't want to vote for any political entity because none of them are compatible with their own ideology, then allow them to abstain.

Eh, no. I wasn't talking about that Seriously, if I we were forced to vote, strange things would happen with our government

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Tiara

If you're the nazi-saddam or islam/bible type extremist, yes.

But extremists can also be groups/people who believe in something that is just plain needed in today's world. Something that needs to be changed. A one-time change I might add. Like the current state of affairs in which corruption is really starting to take it's toll, the government ****s up all the time, etc etc.

The way I see it, is that there are three types of extremists;

Religious extremist: Well, that's self explainatory.
Totalitarioan extremists: Also self explainatory.
Progressive extremism: This kind of extremism is based on changing the world for good. It might be a hard concept for some to put 'good' in the same sentence as 'extremism'. But it exists. Like America took an extremist position to free Iraq. (Although they mainly ****ed that up in the aftermath by going totalitarian on Iraqi asses with the whole prison torture deal ).

Progressive extermism would require some sort of universal 'solution', for lack of a better word.  i.e. one single action that will solve every problem that it aims to tackle.  I'm not sure such a thing exists - even if you look at the Iraq war as an example, the very manner it began in caused problems both in the NATO countries and also in the Arab world at large.  Even if the aftermath hadn;t been so completely ****ed up, there would still have been a negative effect outside - and maybe within - Iraq.

The problem is not in making a change - it's in finding the correct change to make.  And I don;t think extremism has any role in the latter.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by aldo_14

The problem is not in making a change - it's in finding the correct change to make.  And I don;t think extremism has any role in the latter.

Your fist sentence in the quote:
Second one: No.

In today's world extremism might be THE ONLY answer. We've tried decades without it. What did it get us? A bunch of bigotted politicians and loads of corruption. And these two things also brought religious extremism upon us from the middle-East.

So, if you're not going to make any radical and extreme actions what ARE you gonna do? Appoint new 'normal' (*cough*) politicians? It'll just be the whole damned thing all over again but only worse because it's a cumulative problem. You need radical changes to break that cycle. It's not always likable, but it is needed.

[01010]

Bring on the ****ing anarchists I say.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Tiara

Your fist sentence in the quote:
Second one: No.

In today's world extremism might be THE ONLY answer. We've tried decades without it. What did it get us? A bunch of bigotted politicians and loads of corruption. And these two things also brought religious extremism upon us from the middle-East.

So, if you're not going to make any radical and extreme actions what ARE you gonna do? Appoint new 'normal' (*cough*) politicians? It'll just be the whole damned thing all over again but only worse because it's a cumulative problem. You need radical changes to break that cycle. It's not always likable, but it is needed.

If you force a 'solution' on people, then they react to it.  Violently, aggressively, whatver.  If you're talking about radical change, fair enough.  But radical change has to involve the people in some way - i.e. to make sure it's the right change.  But extremism, to me, means making up that change without consultation, without any form of boundary.

Plu, power corrupts.  Extreme power corrupts just as much - probably more - than that which corrupts politicians.  So anyone wielding the power required to make extreme chanegs, is as likely to become corrupt as any 'normal' politician.

[Grey Wolf]

We could always set up a totalitarian dictatorship with a time bomb.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
We could always set up a totalitarian dictatorship with a time bomb.

THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!



I will not take responsibility for the contents of this post due to b33r.

[vyper]

Does Holland have nukes?