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Offline Sesquipedalian

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You think he arbitrarily made them up afterwards then?  Meh, fair enough.  To argue that would be a digression at this point.  The point is, God can now see all time at once, but he didn't make creation to be preplanned.  So saying that he should have preplanned it better doesn't make sense.


Anyway folks, I need to go to bed.  Always a pleasure, Aldo. :)  Talk to you later.
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Offline aldo_14

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I wasn't aware there were any biblically stated rules of logic (not that that would imply they were Gods rules of logic, of course; just what the writer thought they were).

anyways, g'night.

 

Offline Sesquipedalian

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Oh, one last clarification about this post:
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So God can do something, but until he does it he doesn't know if it'll work or not?  That doesn't seem very 'all-knowing' to me.

I should point out that the answer to this question depends on the perspective you take---on what the "something" is that we are talking about.  If we try to imagine ourselves out of time (which we can never perfectly do) so that the "something" he does is just the entire cosmos as a whole, then we have to say that he sees it all in an instant once it is created.  If we look at things from within time, the "something" has to be this or that particular action of God within creation.  In this perspective, we can say that he knows the end from the beginning (and thus whether something will "work" or not).
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Offline aldo_14

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That's a different perspective from the one I take, suffice to say :) (mine would generally lumped in the multiple-parallel-threads of existance and infinite universe type region leading to low probability events being able to occur in this universe)

anyway, shouldn't you be in bed?  :p

 

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Take that, creationists :)

 

Offline Clave

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Nice to see evolution is still working - not that it bodes well for humanity....
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Offline Janos

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no no it was a divine intervention

PRAISE THE LOOOORDAH
lol wtf

 

Offline Flipside

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LOL

Natural selection, you see, it's not so much 'survival of the fittest; and 'He who lives, breeds'.

Still bloody irresponsible to introduce a poisonous skinned toad to the environment in the first place though. We are paying the price for that in various forms over and over again :(

 

Offline Janos

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Originally posted by Flipside
LOL

Natural selection, you see, it's not so much 'survival of the fittest; and 'He who lives, breeds'.
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We are actually just genes' reproduction/survival facilities, says Dawkins.

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Still bloody irresponsible to introduce a poisonous skinned toad to the environment in the first place though. We are paying the price for that in various forms over and over again :( [/B]


Oh Australia, you land of various failed introduction attempts.
I mean, now they have, what: foxes, rats, toads, camels, rabbits, cats, those being the first few that spring to my mind. When looking at toads, the swiftness of adaptation might look fast, but let's see:

Under those circumstances, where a big part of seemingly consumable food is actually poisonous, ANY, and I do mean ANY, adaptation to have raised resistance to toads' poison would be so immensively profitable for the individual and "it's genes" that it's continuity would be practically guaranteened. Once such mutation takes place, it can quite rapidly establish itself throughout the entire population, especially if the competitors tend to die. Not many successive mutations in nearby populations are needed after the resiliance becomes a dominant feature in said snake populations, thuse even FURTHER increasing the populations efficiency, as they are now able to exploit a consumable that has previously been usable only once/user.

edit: as Aldo pointed out, the entire above point is bull, as the snakes don't actually eat the toads, apparently. Go me.

Or you could just replace the poison resistance with head size, and the point would be roughly the same. Whatever. I am sick.
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lol wtf

 

Offline aldo_14

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I find it somewhat amusing that the snakes have evolved to survive by not being able to eat something.....

 

Offline Janos

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I find it somewhat amusing that the snakes have evolved to survive by not being able to eat something.....


oh ****, that's what I get from making up a long and obscure thesis before reading the article. lolol.
lol wtf

 

Offline Flipside

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hehehehe, Not to worry, you've actually probably got the second phase bang on though, a reduction at first as the genetics struggle to adapt to the new 'addition' to the environment, and then an explosion as they 'learn' to exploit it.

  

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*Wonders if people who eat at McDonald's too much will cause this same adaptation in Americans.*
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