[Kazan]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
we do you guys suppose that no one can actually have a political debate without allowing it to degenerate into another stupid fight over the same stupid ****?

because one side pretends to the the bastion of morals, americanism and freedom when they are bigots, and very fascist in nature

and the other side is beyond frustration with trying to get through the "Shield of Blind Faith + 20000000000" that the first mentioned side is wearing

[ShadowWolf_IH]

so then because my view of George Bush oposes yours i am a bigot and a fascist in nature?

[NGTM-1R]

You're all bigots and fascists by nature.

The only true path is satire. All else is corrupted.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

ok for what it's worth, Kazan doesn't need to shut up.  His voice deserves to be heard just as much as Tin Can's voice deserves to be heard.  

The thing is, we have opinions.  2+2 = 4 is a fact, George Bush is a bigot and a fascist is an opinion.  You can prove to me that i am wrong when i say that 2 + 2 = 5, but no one's opinion is wrong, it's what meakes us great, we are versatile and different from one another.  No one is right or wrong for liking Bush, and no one is right or wrong for hating him.  We are just different.

k?

I don't think that anyone's opinion ever got changed toward that of a person who was screaming in anger or insulting them.

[Rictor]

Like I said, talk is cheap (or rather not cheap, but misleading). Just cause he says that what he will do is going to make the world free and peaceful doesn not mean it will be so. Every politician almost always spins his policies in a positive light.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by nuclear1
Point 2: Bush did a good job as always of summarizing what he is going to (read: will[/i]) do in his next term.

No, he didn't. Well. In the same way that this would be a good summary for Episode 3: "The Empire is started. Anakin turns to the Dark Side. The Jedi die. Did you see those cool effects in Attack of the Clones? Lots of people liked those. Attack of the Clones is one of the chief movies people talk about when comparing special effects. Also, The Phantom Menace had a story that many feel had a great depth and complexity."

I think the State of the Union address was propaganda, pure and simple. There's a reason he didn't try to go into detail about his plans, I think: he just wants to pull the wool over people's eyes so that he can do what he wants.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democratic%20republic

never said the term "Democratic Republic" didn't exist... i was just wondering how your statement (see my first post) made any sense  (i.e. we don't live in a democracy, we live in a system where we elect people, who vote for us... the very definition of indirect democracy, which is the system we live under )

peace

[Stryke 9]

Shield of Blind Faith + 20000000000

The Robot Christ laughs at your rhetoric!

Do not fret, my children. Your ruler is a false prophet, and not of my fold. But sinner though he is, he is none of your concern. Why botherst thou over the class of politics that has absolutely no effect on your own life, to the neglect of the more localized affairs that directly influence your quality of life? Surely, insignificant as life before death is, you should be paying more mind to what happens in your own backyard than what happens in some Me-forsaken desert no sane person would choose to live in, ten thousand miles away?

The Beast and all his offspring shall pass, as all mortal beings do, and shall be cast into the Fourth Circle of Hermaphrodite Furry Porn for their trespasses. Do not weep for them, for they have seen My way and turned from it. And do not trouble yourself with the abstract evils of the world, the tangible ones are significant enough. There is but one earthly matter you need concern yourself with, and that is enacting My word and paying My tithe.

[WMCoolmon]

See technically. I meant as in taking things literally (ie exact meaning of the words) we aren't a democracy.

Ancient Athens was more of a democracy than the US - but in a pure democracy, today, the real power would rest in the media even more so than with the current situation. (Actually, a pure democracy is scary to me - whoever had the power to mobilize large amounts of voters could do pretty much whatever the hell they wanted, unless people were MUCH more conscious of the way they voted and the world they voted in.)

[Liberator]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
oh to hell with it.....i knew from the title that this thread had about 4 replies before it became another warzone.

Which is why I'm staying the hell out of it...

[Ace]

Originally posted by Nico
abortion ban?
What are the candidates for abortion do, now? Drop the unwanted child in front of the local Prince's manor?
Ah well.

If the child is a healthy caucasian, and a small business owner is unavailable to adopt them as a true american(tm) then should you are to donate the child to a local church to be eaten for coffee hour. If they are non-caucasian they are to be directly donated to the church for coffee hour consumption as they are not true americans(tm) of the homeland. These are the wishes of the FATHER (Bush Sr.) the SON (Bush Jr.) and the HOLY SPIRIT, (Reagan) amen.

[Knight Templar]

There really is nothing like a fresh baby along with a hot cup of joe in the mornin'!

[Swamp_Thing]

They should change the name of the speech to "State of division", because half of the parliament is cheering, clapping and foaming at the mouth, while the other half is boooing and laughing of Bush´s ramblings and mutilation of the english language.
All in all, a "State of the (Des)Union" speech resembles more like a Broadway comic relief show...

Besides, we´ve heard his first speech already. And if you hear one, you´ve heard them all. The message is ALWAYS the same. "We are good, they are bad, let´s free the opressed and kill those thugs and evildoers, and praise the lord"...

[neo_hermes]

I Hate bush and everything he stands for, so i'm goin to the gun shop buy'n a gun and hiding in my neighbors nuclear bunker for 4 yrs. ehh i'll do it next week...

[Genryu]

Kazan, you should chek that foam around your mouth, i don't think this is really good for your health
That being said, can a mod change Kazan and Tin Can title to flamebait ? I think it would be much more in style forthe two idiots. And i don"t care what's you IQn Kazan, someone who is not able to transmit an opinionwithout insult is an idiot.

[Fineus]

Well wasn't that fun everyone?

Yet another indication that politics can't be discussed sensibly on this forum. Thread locked.