[Bobboau]

you didn't watch Enterprise did you?
they explained it.
an acedent while trying to make genetic super klingons led to a virus who's only cure caused severe facal disfigurement, leading to a whole generation of klingons scared for life (if they were on one of the colonies effected by the illness.)

[Flipside]

Ahhhh... Thanks for the explanation, you're right, I got bored with the temporal cold war and stopped watching Enterprise quite early on

[Ace]

The last season was quite good. The Klingons attempting to make Khan-like augments was a clever way of handling the issue while connecting it to other bits of Trek.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Sandwich


That makes absolutely no sense to me... the Trills have been around for hundreds of years at the very least by the middle of TNG (when Jadzia Dax is introduced in DS9's launch), but the THG episode with the conspiracy was a scant few years earlier.

Trill predate that even. Their first appearance was in TNG, probably about the same  time as one or the other of the two episodes involving the conspiracy.

[NGTM-1R]

It was a seaon or two after that, IIRC...

[deep_eyes]

IM sorely disapointed by B&B's portryal of a true ending. there was no need to throw shran and his 20 min segment of action (i guess just to make it mildly entertaining), and having TNG members apart of the story at whole totally blew me off.

terra prime 2 fuggin had me tearing over the baby issue and how trip was raining tears to tpol over it in the end...

im mad they killed trip off too, which was the gayest thing they did since KILLING DATA.

but i just realized something, trip himself was almost shown as much, if not more than archer or most of the rest of the cast then anyone else IMO....

the ending was nice the 30 second shot, kinda backwards, but it woulda been better if they did show the initial speech, then jump to the soverign (instead of the ent.c (i think)) to the consitution, then to the nx-01....

i dunno its like what everyones doing with all good things, ****NIG THEM THE **** UP.

[Sandwich]

Trip was waay cooler than Archer, that's why. And I agree with you 100% on the rest.

[Inquisitor]

I wasn't overly impressed with either episode. Was teh Riker issue covered in a TNG episode? The whole Pegasus thing sounded familiar....

Anyway, the Riker/Troi thing was overdone, pretty campy. They coulda done the whole episode without it and had something decent, and still done the ending the way they did.

There were enough nods to the rest of Trek in the Enterprise segments of that episode.

Meh. Battlestar Galactica is back on soon, and Serenity is coming out soon enough.

I am glad they put "Where no MAN has gone before" back in.

[vyper]

[q](instead of the ent.c (i think)) to the consitution, then to the nx-01.... [/q]

Twas the Enterprise D they started with young lad (hence Patrick Stewart's  voice at that point)

[Liberator]

Bleh...no, not even that...meh...

[Ulala]

*sigh*

[Grey Wolf]

I have nothing better to do at the moment, so let's check.
"Coming of Age", first mention of a possible conspiracy by Admiral Quinn, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 18.
"Conspiracy", encounter with the aforementioned hive conspiracy, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 24.
"The Host", first appearance of the Trill, ST:TNG Season 4, Episode 23.

Oddly enough, StarTrek.com lies about the first appearance of the Trill. They claim it was in the first episode of ST:DS9, over a year later.

[Annorax]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf
I have nothing better to do at the moment, so let's check.
"Coming of Age", first mention of a possible conspiracy by Admiral Quinn, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 18.
"Conspiracy", encounter with the aforementioned hive conspiracy, ST:TNG Season 1, Episode 24.
"The Host", first appearance of the Trill, ST:TNG Season 4, Episode 23.

Oddly enough, StarTrek.com lies about the first appearance of the Trill. They claim it was in the first episode of ST:DS9, over a year later.

Try reading the DS9 Relaunch novels... the conspiracy is followed up and explained in those. I will say that the creatures pretty much owned the Bajoran sector since before What You Leave Behind.

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Inquisitor
Was teh Riker issue covered in a TNG episode? The whole Pegasus thing sounded familiar....

yes, one of the latter TNG epps, Riker was ordered to lie to Pecard about what he had been doing on the one ship when they went looking for it years afer it had disapeared. I beleve they found it merged to an asteroid. it was an illigal federation cloaking device that would also allow the cloaked ship to pass through solid matter. (I beleve that is were the whole "out of phase" walking through walls thing started from, but the eppisode with a quasi-working romulan version may have come first.)

[Trivial Psychic]

Correct Bob.  The Episode "The Next Phase" was in season 5 IIRC, in which Geordie & Ro were believed dead but actually had been phase-cloaked during transport and had to find a way both to get un-phased, and prevent the Romulan crew they had been assisting, from sabbotaging and destroying the Enterprise.  The concept was introduced in this episode, then followed up in "The Pegasus" about 2 years later.  In the later, the Enterprise was briefly fitted with the illegal cloak to escape from an asteroid the Romulans had sealed them into during the Pegasus recovery operation.  How much you wanna bet that Section 31 ensured that whatever the courtmarial and subsequent discussions with the Romulans decided, the cloak would be spared any possible destruction order and quietly tucked away, and perhaps replaced with a fake.  It might even explain how Dr. Bashier was abducted by Section 31 during their initial DS9 appearance onto a starship, without being detected.  Perhaps said ship was phase-cloaked using the Pegasus model, or one based off it.  I know, I know, all speculation... but fun speculation.

Later!

[Carl]

You know, I'm so glad that Enterprise was replaced by a show as classy, thought provoking, and high quality as a reality show about Britney Spears.

[vyper]

Makes you want to hug the UPN executives till they just turn blue, doesn't it?

[Mongoose]

As I've said elsewhere, besides the odd Phillies game, I'm never even bothering to put UPN on again.

[Grey Wolf]

*Grey Wolf distributes the old HLP shotguns with ammunition