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Offline Agent_Koopa

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Re: Non-lethal weapon that makes tasers look like nothing.
Surely, a police officer will find it difficult to torture someone with an ADS system. You can hardly drive around town gunning people down with one of these mounted on the back. Misuse of the ADS system by the police requires three things: the (expensive and therefore difficult to authorise use of) ADS system, the cooperation of your colleagues (good luck firing a vehicle-mounted pain beam without alerting your friends) and the intent to cause pain to innocent people. As I have said, it is much easier to simply beat someone up than to get hold of the department pain gun and aim it at someone.

Now, in any case, the non-lethal settling of conflict is always preferable to causing death. That's why jails were invented. If a riot breaks out, set this to a high level and sweep across crowd. If you can pull it off fast enough, that's an entire crowd on its knees. If the riot is armed, say a couple of them have AK-47s, and a couple more have grenades, of course they are a threat. Shooting them would work, sure, but you'd have dead people everywhere, because panic would break out and you would be hard-pressed not to hit an innocent person. Beam them instead. They'll be on the ground in a second, and at least in the case of the AK-47, threat neutralized. Without taking a life.

And if you're thinking soldiers or police will be indiscriminate with this thing, remember that all police officers have to be tasered several times before they can have one.
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Re: Non-lethal weapon that makes tasers look like nothing.
HOW ****ING OFTEN DO YOU SEE THE ELDERLY OR EXTREMELY YOUNG PARTICIPATING IN A RIOT?!

'Round here? Lots, actually. Not that I disagree with you.

Police are using high power water cannons to disperse rioters following Pinochet's death. These seem to be effective in dispersing crowds. They are low cost, low tech, and work fine. Why dont we use these water cannons instead of something that could double as an ultimate torture device?

Because water cannons can physically kill or (more likely) injure someone?


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Re: Non-lethal weapon that makes tasers look like nothing.
And guys - listen to your moderators. They're good guys. They should be taken seriously. :)

And here I thought they were just here to entertain us. Silly me.
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Re: Non-lethal weapon that makes tasers look like nothing.
Surely, a police officer will find it difficult to torture someone with an ADS system. You can hardly drive around town gunning people down with one of these mounted on the back. Misuse of the ADS system by the police requires three things: the (expensive and therefore difficult to authorise use of) ADS system, the cooperation of your colleagues (good luck firing a vehicle-mounted pain beam without alerting your friends) and the intent to cause pain to innocent people. As I have said, it is much easier to simply beat someone up than to get hold of the department pain gun and aim it at someone.

Now, in any case, the non-lethal settling of conflict is always preferable to causing death. That's why jails were invented. If a riot breaks out, set this to a high level and sweep across crowd. If you can pull it off fast enough, that's an entire crowd on its knees. If the riot is armed, say a couple of them have AK-47s, and a couple more have grenades, of course they are a threat. Shooting them would work, sure, but you'd have dead people everywhere, because panic would break out and you would be hard-pressed not to hit an innocent person. Beam them instead. They'll be on the ground in a second, and at least in the case of the AK-47, threat neutralized. Without taking a life.

And if you're thinking soldiers or police will be indiscriminate with this thing, remember that all police officers have to be tasered several times before they can have one.

And yet....

Ill-treatment and excessive use of force by law enforcement officials

There were reports of ill-treatment, deaths in custody and excessive use of force by police and prison officers. At least three people died after being struck by M26 Tasers: dart-firing, high-voltage stun guns deployed by a growing number of US police agencies. Although most such deaths have been attributed to other factors, there were concerns about the health risks associated with electro-shock weapons as well as their potential for abuse.

    * Gordon Randall Jones, an unarmed man, died in July after he was struck 12 times with an M26 Taser by police in Orange County, Florida. The autopsy report listed the cause of death as “positional asphyxia, secondary to the application of restraints in the setting of acute cocaine intoxication”.
    * Chiquita Hammonds, a 15-year-old schoolgirl, was pepper-sprayed and struck with a Taser by police in Miramar, Florida, following a minor disturbance on a school bus. AI believes the use of chemical and electro-shock devices in this case constituted cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.


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