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I have a theory on why many people have certain ailments that run in their family and I think a lot of it might be damage accumulated in the genes by ancestors not living the best lifestyle and damage gets passed on from generation to generation and becomes worse in each generation if certain lifestyle practices continue to occur in those families.


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While the theory of the inheritance of acquired characteristics was enormously popular during the early nineteenth century as an explanation for the complexity observed in living systems, after publication of Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection, the importance of individual efforts in the generation of adaptation was considerably diminished. Later, Mendelian genetics supplanted the notion of inheritance of acquired traits, eventually leading to the development of the modern evolutionary synthesis, and the general abandonment of the theory of inheritance of acquired characteristics in biology, although there are proponents for its working on the microbial level or in epigenetic inheritance

 

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I did not misunderstand you, and even highlighted the part that was wrong.  "Damage accumulated in the genes" cannot really go by anything OTHER than "Inheritance of acquired characteristics," (and I'm not too sure on the possibility of enough to call it damage) unless you want to call it mutations which is entirely NOT what you were trying to say there.

 

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But how I live might to a certain extent repair the genes that are damaged or simply shut them off, thus building resistance to certain ailments or keeping them at bay from occuring.

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Offline General Battuta

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Actually, epigenetic factors can modify gene expression...but High Max is still not particularly informed about gene/environment interactions.

 

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Mutagen's are bad, mkay?

Seriously though, aren't environmentally altered gene's being passed on a key part of evolution? Or did I really misunderstand that whole part of biology.

 

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Seriously though, aren't environmentally altered gene's being passed on a key part of evolution? Or did I really misunderstand that whole part of biology.
Apparently. :p

Natural selection, the key mechanism of evolution, has nothing to do with genes being "altered" over the course of an organism's lifetime.  Rather, it has to do with the fact that organisms that are well-adapted to their environment tend to survive for longer than those that aren't, and so have a much greater opportunity to pass their significant genetic material, including said adaptations, on to their offspring.  Over time, a particularly useful adaptation can wind up becoming the dominant trait amongst a population, simply because the members that exhibited it reproduced most effectively.  One of the most visible signs of this process at work for Darwin was the finch population on the Galapagos Islands, which consisted of multiple species whose beaks were all shaped differently for handling different types of food.  Darwin's theory on evolution via natural selection was a replacement for the older belief, known as Lamarckism, which stated that traits acquired during an organism's lifetime could be passed down to its offspring. I've usually heard the latter expressed by the example of a giraffe who stretches out its neck constantly, thereby granting its children longer necks as well.  By that logic, the babies Schwarzenegger would come out of the womb completely stacked. :p

(Another driving force of evolution is genetic drift, which is the change in gene variant frequency over the course of time due to random sampling and simple chance, but that process has nothing to do with how effective certain gene variants prove to be.)

 

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Mutagen's are bad, mkay?

Seriously though, aren't environmentally altered gene's being passed on a key part of evolution? Or did I really misunderstand that whole part of biology.

Wow, yeah, no. Refer to the Mongoosepost.

The environment cannot alter genes. That was postulated by Lamarckian evolution, which was abandoned more than a century ago.

 

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Mutagen's are bad, mkay?

Seriously though, aren't environmentally altered gene's being passed on a key part of evolution? Or did I really misunderstand that whole part of biology.

Wow, yeah, no. Refer to the Mongoosepost.

The environment cannot alter genes. That was postulated by Lamarckian evolution, which was abandoned more than a century ago.
You can't "train" your genes, but surely mutations can be passed on.

 

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Indeed. A fair point - though only in germ cells, not somatic cells.

 

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Exactly what I'm saying. If there weren't mutations, then species would not have diversified, would they?

  

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I'll give a tentative 'yes' to that, yeah. Genetic drift is important too, but that presupposes multiple alleles.