[TrashMan]

Violence in (almost) never the right answer. Good thing the legislation was made.


However, there are some things I never have, don't and never will consider normal, and personally feel they should never be encouraged (like transexuals).

[Ford Prefect]

TrashMan, I gotta say right off the bat, I estimate a 0% chance of the inevitably ensuing debate going well for you.

[TrashMan]

There is nothing to debate. There is no debate.

[General Battuta]

You've stated your opinion. It's wrong.

Some people are born with the wrong equipment to go with their wiring.

[TrashMan]

You have stated you oppinion. It's wrong(er).

Some people just have screwed up wiring. Sucks to be them I guess.

[zookeeper]

Obviously transsexuality isn't normal just like having a heart defect isn't normal, and since it takes effort to fix both of those and there's hardly any net gain from having either, neither should be encouraged.

I guess I'll never really understand firstly the need to intentionally write empty statements containing only hints at well-known strawmen instead of what you actually think and secondly the need to intentionally only grab onto those hints instead of responding to what was actually said even if it means pointing out that actually nothing was said, like in this case.

[karajorma]

Thread split and given stupid name.

Next time try to stick to the topic.

[Dilmah G]

For ****'s Sake Trashman. Why?

[TrashMan]

Why not?

I'm merely stating the obvious. Some people just...[jack_nicholson_voice] CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! [/jack_nicholson_voice] 

[StarSlayer]

Wow, just wow. 


Yeah let's discourage and malign everyone who has birth traits that we don't like. 

Do you have any evidence as to what makes these people less worthy then you?  I mean real statistical facts not your tender sensibilities.

[TrashMan]

Less worthy? Why do you say that?
It's like saying a guy with cancer is less worthy than me because of the cancer. Don't be preposterous!


Apparently, if I'm not actively encouraging someone, that automaticly means I'm booing and hissing and shunnign and hating him?

[Dilmah G]

What's with the original post edit? I see no evidence of transexuality anymoar...

[jdjtcagle]

Apparently, if I'm not actively encouraging someone, that automaticly means I'm booing and hissing and shunnign and hating him?

Trashman what exactly is your point/position in this thread? Don't you think they can't help their condition? Wouldn't the right thing to do is to be supportive and understanding of those people with birth defects and help raise their self-esteem?  Because discouraging them can only cause more damage.

Do you have birth defects? I'm assuming no, would you still hold your position when you put yourself in their shoes. Do you often tell yourself that you have a problem and it needs to be fixed? I bet it's hard, I KNOW it's hard... but you also know how easy it is to sit back and count how many "sins" other people have and how "easy" it would to fix.  It's not that easy with birth defects, it has to be pretty confusing. But there is one thing we can't do and that's pretend they don't exist and ¹say under our breath that it sucks to be them.


¹

Some people just have screwed up wiring. Sucks to be them I guess.

[Scotty]

So.... are you trying to discourage birth defects and the like?

[General Battuta]

Y'know, I don't think transsexuality should even be considered a birth defect.

It should be an option open to all members of the population at any time they want.

It's a shame, though, TrashMan apparently wants to consign everyone born hermaphroditic to a moral rubbish bin, and he'd prefer that all the miserable women stuck with male parts (or vice versa) live their lives in misery and depression.

Unless you mean something else by 'not encouraging people to have sex changes...'

Also, I just want to warn you: this site has transsexual readers and their rights will be protected. Unless you clarify your position in such a way that you remove the implication that they're second-class citizens, you are on dangerous ground.

[General Battuta]

I'm going to post this as a separate post because you usually glaze over things and then selectively respond.

Transsexualism is a condition in which an individual identifies with a physical sex different from the one they were born with. A medical diagnosis can be made if a person experiences discomfort as a result of a desire to be a member of the opposite sex,[1] or if a person experiences impaired functioning or distress as a result of that gender identification.

The birth state that leads people to become transsexual is natural. It occurs in nature, ergo, it is natural.

If you are saying that you do not want to increase the prevalence of this birth state, fine.

If you are saying that you wish to discourage people from expressing their gender or undertaking surgical options to correct the mismatch, then you are wrong, as I stated earlier.

[Blue Lion]

Time for some truths!

Someone, somewhere will always be offended

Some people can never finish a

No matter how good a website is, its' webmaster is guaranteed to get at least one e-mail which says "UR PAGE SUCKS".

Just because it's a "well known fact" doesn't mean it's true.

The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity

[Kie99]

Also, I just want to warn you: this site has transsexual readers and their rights will be protected. Unless you clarify your position in such a way that you remove the implication that they're second-class citizens, you are on dangerous ground.

What rights do you think may be infringed here?

[General Battuta]

That entirely depends on what Trashman's trying to say.

If he does not want to encourage the transsexual birth state, fine. It's a problematic state in that it generally requires corrective action for the individual to be happy. If fetuses received corrective treatment during pregnancy I'm sure everyone would be happier.

If he wants to discourage individuals from gender reassignment, then he is suggesting that individuals are morally prohibited from doing what is best for them, which propagates an attitude of fear and repression towards gender reassignment.

Individuals have the inalienable right to equal expression of their sexuality so long as this expression does no one harm. Forcing transgender individuals to suppress this expression as compared to cis individuals, by means of intimidation, implied immorality, or suggested social sanction, is a violation of this right and an abrogation of his duties to the community.

tl;dr: no one should have to be ashamed of what they are.

[Flipside]

It'd be kind of difficult to encourage transexualism anyway, it's a genetic thing, there's no choice involved, the problem is, some people give in to the inner primate, something different means a potential threat, so they enter 'Fight or Flight' mode, in other words, they are uneasy about it, and would prefer it destroyed.