Dunno about hard-core. I just dealt with a person who asked me for some information on a very basic thing, and then put on airs as if they understood the field more than me, and refused to take some good advice. They wanted bad advice, and I never dissapoint. Anyway, you should see the **** that happens at my school. All you have to do is provide the most superficial illusion that the computers have been hacked, and the computer-illiterate security nuts will do the damage for you. 'Cos, you know, hackers are EVERYWHERE, and they want nothing more than to STEAL YOUR REPORT ON FROGS!!!:D