[aldo_14]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yes, b'aint never gonena happen since NOBODY WANTS TO DO THE MODELS.

Just so we know where we stand.

I'd probably do the Hammerhead & transport, but no free time unkless I get modelling help with Rec....  

BTW, there was someone starting a SAAB Tc when the VBB was still up.  I think Max Sterling has a Hammerhead done, too.....

[Star Dragon]

Keep above and beyond alive people... I thought it was an awesome show and would make a cool mod.


  Add these two to the ship list:

  Chig Ambassador ship (that is probably the shuttle mentioned before, seen once when Chig ambassador docked with Saratoga.)

          &

  Chig Transport (seen once when terran prisoners taken away from Tellus colony)

I assume the Advanced fighter is the red Chigs that could skirt the black hole's gravity horizon?

Don't forget the Chig Ace Chiggy Von Richtofen (SP?)

Commadore Ross: "Abandon all hope my A$$!"

I would love to help fred missions based off the episodes since I have 22 (out of 24).

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Star Dragon


I assume the Advanced fighter is the red Chigs that could skirt the black hole's gravity horizon?

Don't forget the Chig Ace Chiggy Von Richtofen (SP?)

Commadore Ross: "Abandon all hope my A$$!"
 

I meant the Chiggy von Richtofen (whatever you spell it like) as the Advanced fighter.  I remember it being a very special fighter with manuverability and some amazing Ace pilot behind the controls.  And that guy...oh whats his name....McQueen?  He smoked the bastard with some smooth moves.  That was the best episode I saw I think...although I remember a brief scene in another episode where they bombarded a planet...oh dang was that cool.

With TBP, we captured of footage into WMV that had just CGI battle scenes.  So we could review whatever visual facts there were about a particular scene or a vessel...helped with color and styling of weapons as well.

In terms of Hammerhead weaponry.  I'd say fix the main forward weapon one way or another and focus on the gameplay dynamic of having a rear weapons turret.  And then focus on having missiles and a siginificant stockpile of different kinds (although keep them that gritty military feel to them) to keep the player interested.  Doing this, you should be able to expand the dynamics of the shows visuals into something FS2 players would want to fly.

[Sheepy]

dont you just want one?

[Sheepy]

ohho ohh ohh found more ...

The SA-43






The Saritoga


Chig Capital ships (they suck)



Quality just gets worse from here

UEF Drones


Chig Fighter (best quality i could find, did only look for about 5 mins mind)


and heres the site with these pictures on and more ...

[diamondgeezer]

Basic fighter

Chiggy von Richtoffen

Bomber

ISSCV/APC


Click here for all your Above And Beyond needs

[Su-tehp]

Lol, seeing that pic of the ISSCV reminded me of what Hawkes said to the colonist prisoners in the last episode as the 58th were rescuing them:

"Everybody fasten yourselves in. This ride's gonna suck and we don't serve peanuts!"



I still remember that line after seeing it only once six years ago....

[diamondgeezer]

I couldn't help but snigger when the squad were taking cover from Hawkes' "aggressive flatulence", and McQueen walks in, sniffs, and says 'Cabbage was good, huh Hawkes?'

[Nico]

I miss that show, aired only once in France ( was called space 2063 here )

[Thor]

Yeah, good show.  Had one damn good theme song too.  That I remeber real good.  And the Saratoga was a fine ship too (looked better on screen than the picture does).

[Mr Carrot]

In the short lived UK Space above and beyond magazine they had an interveiw with morgan and wong, apparently they were about to start a second season (hence the poo ending) and due to this they had designed many new ships that would have a prominent role in the next series.

The article had tiny pics of the hammerhead bomber/recon which looked like a longer hammer head.

Other intresting things i remember from it......... they designed the ships as they went along so the "fleet" of different ship types only appeared at the end.

Also the one ship of another nationality mentioned in the series (everything else is USN, USMC etc.) the HMS summit or other had dual rail guns (the big circle thing running along the left side of the hull used to bombard planets in the episode sugar dirt).

[diamondgeezer]

HMS Invincible

w00+!!

Are we getting any closer to recruiting modelers?


Saratoga specs:

John F. Kennedy Class
Registry Number SCVN-2812
Manufacturer : AeroTech Space Division - Newport News, Virginia
Assembled : James Lovel Orbital Assembly Facility


Serial specs : Space Carrier Vehicle Nuclear
Weight : 646.269 tons (890.755 tons fully loaded)
Length : 525,6 m (1.724 ft) -245,1 m (804 ft) in the beam
Height : 185,4 m (608 ft)
Hull depth (draft) : 74,4 m (254 ft)
Superstructure : 67,7 m (222 ft)
Lidar dome : 40,2 m (132 ft)
Propulsion : He3 Fusion Drive - complemented by a Bussard Ramjet (for increased fuel savings)


Engines : 2 MF3600 Fusion Reactors - 7 year lifespan
Max Speed : 0,96c - under acceleration of 3,9g and without FTL
Range :

[CLASSIFIED] lightyears per day - when using the inertialess drive. Sublight range = 5,7 lightyears.


Other : in case of catastrophic engine failure, 3 Emergency Chemical Rockets may be used to bring the ship to a halt


Armament :13 Laser cannon batteries


Existing hardpoint configuration :
1 x 1,2GW Laser cannon
2 x 450 MW
6 x 300 MW
4 x 50 MW
30 Phalanx II missile launchers
72 KEW/Torpedo launchers

Equipment :
Air wing
168 SA-43 Hammerhead Fighters
14 At-72 Stingray Recon Planes
4 B-290 Barracuda Fighter/Bombers
4 SWAC Spaceborne Warning and Control Vehicles
16 ISSAPC Inter Solar System Armoured Personnel Carriers
8 SSRT Sub-Orbital Short-Range Transports
8 LC-19 Landing Crafts
Personnel:

Commodore Ross commands the U.S.S Saratoga.
Lieutenant-Colonel McQueen commands the 58th (Wildcards).
1,008 U.S. Navy Air Wing
1,344 U.S.M.C. Air and Space Cavalry
565 U.S. Army Infantry
For more info and blue prints o the 'Toga, please go here[/list]

[Su-tehp]

If only we could have specs like this for the Freespace ships...

[aldo_14]

Hammerhead 'probs';

1/ That forward turret thing.... methinks it'll have to be an AI turret on non-player fighters, and (for the player) use the same model BUT remove the rotation, turret, etc settings so it simply acts as a forward firing point
2/ The missiles on pylons - no real way I can think of to 'deplete' them as they are fired (unless you edit the SC to a/ destroy physical susbystem with sexps and b/add an SEXP to test when missiles are fired... and even then that's a patchwork solution...) - so I'd put it at rpcket holding 'tubes' ala the ones you get for unguided rockets on modern ground attack aircraft
3/ Ending missions - IIRC, Hammerheads don't warpout.  Could be wrong, though.
4/ Ejecting - is there a point? (mission is incompletable, anyways, once you eject).... otherwise, would need a complex multi-subobject system where the main hull is actually a physical subsystem which surrounds the ejector pod.


Oh, and I AM doing one at the mo, largely through boredom (and also an aside to a pain in the tits Vasudan thing I'm doing....).  In fatc, I'm considering giving it a 'proper' cockpit, with a visible pilot et al.... if it works, it's be f****** cool, but it may be a bit high poly (intending to use partial transparencies via the gift of NOT having a UV map but just a plain black colour...which may not even be possible, as I've not checked yet)

[LtNarol]

How does one measure the weight of a spacecraft in space and not staying fixed in relation to other stellar bodies?  Weight last time I checked was a measurement of the pull of gravity on an object

[Sheepy]

ok wouldnt it be mass instead? dont u use mass and gravity to work out weight ..... i dunno i suk at maths .... wheres CP when u need him?

[an0n]

Yeah, you use mass. Something with an 8kg weight on Earth has a mass of 8kg no matter where it is.

*might have a go at making a Hammerhead*

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Hammerhead 'probs';

1/ That forward turret thing.... methinks it'll have to be an AI turret on non-player fighters, and (for the player) use the same model BUT remove the rotation, turret, etc settings so it simply acts as a forward firing point

Yeah, I figure just fixing the forward turret for all the ships, AI and player alike

2/ The missiles on pylons - no real way I can think of to 'deplete' them as they are fired (unless you edit the SC to a/ destroy physical susbystem with sexps and b/add an SEXP to test when missiles are fired... and even then that's a patchwork solution...) - so I'd put it at rpcket holding 'tubes' ala the ones you get for unguided rockets on modern ground attack aircraft

3/ Ending missions - IIRC, Hammerheads don't warpout.  Could be wrong, though.

You know, I hadn't thought of that. Buggeration...

4/ Ejecting - is there a point? (mission is incompletable, anyways, once you eject).... otherwise, would need a complex multi-subobject system where the main hull is actually a physical subsystem which surrounds the ejector pod.

If it ain't easy to do, I wouldn't bother

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer

You know, I hadn't thought of that. Buggeration...

Try...new technology maybe.  Or use a load of end-mission / red alert sexps.  Or the easiest way (perversely) is to use a modified version of the source code with a SEXP that can 'jump' to the debrief of a mission without a warpout effect.... I actually have something like this almost done, but I can;t get Borland C++ compiler to work yet... the SCP may have one already, though.














http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/hammerWIP.3ds

Squeezes in under the FS2 poly limits.... high for a fighter, but sod it.  The only bit I don;t like is the arse-end, but there's sod all by way of refernce.  As a point of fact, the only (145k) model I found for the 'head was pretty ****e.

Other stuff that would need to be done (it's a hella big job, bear in mind);

- Interface - you'd probably need to do something to give it a unique feel.....even just removing the GTVa signs would help, and sl;apping in a few renders as a background would too
- HUD - obviously....
- weapons - need sounds and piccies for 'em
- Ships - duh... may need to improv. a support ship, though (modified Hammerhead?)
- new anis - probably need to screencap about 3 seconds of footage for each the pilot message anis...should be easy enough to do with the right equipment and a few copies of the series....
- backgrounds - could probably bluff yer way with the existing ones, but you'd still need to do a few planets as such... esp. the Solar system
- ground/atmospheric combat with atmosphere nebula... not exactly necessarry, but 'twould be cool
- Capture some various sounds for the mission speech
- Anis!  

Some of this, though, you can blag straight for the TV series

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Hammerhead piccies

Which smiley was it? Oh yes, here it is:

Or use a load of end-mission / red alert sexps...

:nod:

... you'd probably need to do something to give it a unique feel... blah...blah... Anis!

That's the least o' me worries. Getting modellers is officially a *****, rated only slightly less of a ***** than getting voice actors. If I get sufficient models, then I'll just sing "I'm Henry The Eighth I Am" untill somebody does the interface and stuff

Some of this, though, you can blag straight for the TV series

I knew I bought those VCDs for a reason. In fact, I'm gonna try and find the cash to buy the DVDs, so mebbe they'd do for screen caps (God knows the VCDs wouldn't)



Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

NB I can't remember where that line came from and it's annoying the hell out of me... ideas?