[Shrike]

Heh, way better than Ep 1 or 2

[Kamikaze]

*quite upset at Data's death*

He was like... the BEST character in the whole thing... (he made the series bearable)

The movie had nice effects, though admittedly I thought a lot of it was cheesy.. (what was that visible green spinning radiation? gawd)

[Ulala]

*sigh* I enjoyed it, but was very unhappy that Data had to die. Picard didn't even get to hear him say goodbye! Agh!! But, theres always good ol' B-4 I guess... *cough*... Seeing that Federation fleet show up and blast the crap outta the Scimitar would have really made my day... *sniff* why did they have to do it (kill Data)?

[Goober5000]

Well...was it a good death?  (I get the feeling it wasn't...)

For example, Spock's death in STII:WOK was probably the absolute best anyone could have died.  It was meaningful, it did something, it made sense, it had a purpose, Spock got to say goodbye, there was a great funeral scene, etc. etc. etc.  It was done extraordinarily well.

By contrast, Kirk's death in ST:GEN was just stupid.  Anticlimactic, really, and meaningless.  Who cares about all the people on Veridian IV that we never meet?  There's no urgency, no fight to save the ship (it's already crashed) - but Picard takes up the noble cause of saving a planet we aren't even acquainted with.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the movie did a terrible job of it.  At least they could have given the moment a bit more urgency.  I actually prefered Kirk's "death" on the Enterprise-B to the one on Veridian III - for many reasons.

Kirk's "death" on the Enterprise-B is almost like Spock's death in WOK.  Kirk's death on Veridian III is like Joe Carey's death on Voyager (another meaningless and stupid death).  In both cases, the writers brought the character back just to kill him.

Compare Data's death, anyone?

[Deepblue]

First Reaction:

Second Reaction:

[Blue Lion]

I don't have the same emotional link you guys do. I think I've seen maybe 2 ST movies, and even then not the whole thing.

I saw on with Kirk and McCoy(sp?) on some ice planet as prisoners, and one with I'm assuming the "Next Generation" cast trying to get some guy to shoot his rocket into space because that was the first step towards..........something or other....... Hell I just remember it because they played "Magic Carpet Ride"

So uh, I doubt I'll be seeing this one.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Well...was it a good death?  (I get the feeling it wasn't...)

For example, Spock's death in STII:WOK was probably the absolute best anyone could have died.  

Spocks death was rendered utterly meaningless because THEY BROUGHT THE ****ER BACK TO LIFE. Sacrifice without cost isn't sacrifice.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Dan1
The only thing i got a question on..


in the ending credits...it says


WESLEY CRUSHER!!!!


Where is he in the movie/ or mentioned in the movie??

Can someone point this out to me??

Oh..and at the end...where they obviously kill data....i wanted to jump and rip the screen down for it's complete heresy..

he was supposed to be in it, but after they recorded it all, someone desided to cut it.

i haven't seen it yet, because i'm in holland, so i'll have to wait till 03-03 to, i'm afraid

[Razor]

Whee! Now let's see. All of the admins have spamed except Setekh (not sure though). Well there is one good use of this. Encreasing post count! YAY!:D

[an0n]

Spock - His death was done slowly to show that he was more human than we thought. He was upset at dying but still had enough Vulcan dignity left to comfort Kirk.

Kirk - He always knew he'd die alone, thus the somewhat unspectacular death. He died screwing over some Klingons (always a plus). And it has always been that the true heroes are not those who die for fame or to forge a legend, but those who die alone, in the darkness where no-one will ever know what they gave up for people they would never know.

Data - *watching film*


Oh, and if they don't bring him back to life, along with Kirk (and arguably Yar) he'll be one of the only main characters ever to die.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Razor
Whee! Now let's see. All of the admins have spamed except Setekh (not sure though). Well there is one good use of this. Encreasing post count! YAY!:D

He already spammed a lot.
Anyway, I think killing the best characters is good in a series/movie. Why, they're the best characters so they won't die? It would be that way, there wouldn't be much excitement would it? I reckon you didn't expect that, right? I think that's a good point for the movie, and for starterk in general, if they're ready to get rid of the characters. plus it doesn't sound like a cheesy "I saved you all, I won't forget you" american heroes A1 supar saviour of the independance day say goodbye to my childs death, so it's even better.

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Carl
well personally i don't care if it pissed you off because it doesn't matter because they killed data.

don´t pull an asrak on us now, Carl.

stupid movie not screening in Estonia.

*pulls out KaZaA*

I don´t care.

[Fineus]

Now I know there's "Spoiler" in the title but honestly, a little more warning is needed. Thread edited

[Stealth]

saw it yesterday... was a good movie... as star trek movies go

[LtNarol]

Meh, personally I'd rather see Picard or one of the other cheesier characters die, Data really provided the series and movies with a degree of humor and comedy.  Picard on the other hand, well, eh.

[Styxx]

Boy, where do you all live?

Everyone knew that one of the conditions imposed by Brent Spinner to play the role of Data on this movie was that the HAD TO DIE! He's supposed to be an android and, since Brent is - as everyone else - getting only older (while androids aren't supposed to), he knew he wouldn't be able to play the part for much longer, and wanted it to be over while he could still do it. It was the only thing we knew for certain about the movie...

Now, I just have to wait to watch it.

[Goober5000]

Meh - what about that streak of gray in All Good Things?

[Liberator]

*engages full Trekkie mode*  That was an affectation to make himself look more distinguished.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Liberator
*engages full Trekkie mode*  That was an affectation to make himself look more distinguished.

*detonates Genesis Device 3ft from Liberator*

[Tiara]

Nemesis Not Last For Patrick Stewarts
[Wed May 29, 2002 06:55PM]

TGL reports on an interview in which Patrick Stewart spoke with SFX about "Star Trek: Nemesis" and how it might not be his last:

"We've just wrapped our next movie, Nemesis, around three weeks ago. And knowing as much as I do about how to play the character now I look back at `Encounter At Farpoint', the pilot episode, and other episodes in that first season, and I see that of course there's a kind of naivete about some of the work. I think, well, they wouldn't be my choices now. But they were the right choices then."

He dismisses talk that Star Trek: Nemesis will mark his farewell to the 24th Century. "There's been a lot of gossip about this being the last Next Generation film. Those conversations are only happening in the fan community. As far as the studio is concerned, and our executive producer is concerned, and indeed as far as all of us are concerned, though we all have our own opinions and feelings,there is nothing official at all about it being the last.[/i]"

"Although," Stewart concedes, smiling, "this would be a very appropriate way to take our leave of Star Trek. Everything about the ending of this movie has a sense of closure about it, but there is also a huge opportunity for a sequel to this movie just sitting there, should it be taken up. And my feeling is that with Paramount it will totally be a matter of profits. If this film does really well, there will be another one. And that will continue, so long as they do well. The first time one does badly then, `Clang!' We shall be put out to graze."

*forces everybody to the theatre*