[Dark_4ce]

Saw the movie... Loved it! UNBELIEVABLE! AMAZING! Its like Braveheart with orcs! BETTER! MUCH BETTER! Battles amazing, everything amazing! And I love the books too!

By the way, the elf character who came with the elves to Helms deep was in the first movie. He was the leaders of the elves who capture/greeted the fellowship when they entered the woods of Lorien. The one who dissed Gimli by saying something like "The dwarf breathes so hard, we could have shot him a mile off." or something.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Saw the movie... Loved it! UNBELIEVABLE! AMAZING! Its like Braveheart with orcs! BETTER! MUCH BETTER! Battles amazing, everything amazing! And I love the books too!

By the way, the elf character who came with the elves to Helms deep was in the first movie. He was the leaders of the elves who capture/greeted the fellowship when they entered the woods of Lorien. The one who dissed Gimli by saying something like "The dwarf breathes so hard, we could have shot him a mile off." or something.

yeah, it was awesome

and yes, i knew that elf was somewhere in the first movie... i just couldn't place where ... you're right though, he was in that part

[diamondgeezer]

Right, I've just gotten back from seeing it (a day late, I know... I don't want to talk about it ). The verdict:

Vea, verily! They screwed that one up worse than the last one. Here come the spoilers:

Spoiler:

Right, what as all that about Faramir taking the hobbits to Osgiliath? Peter Jackson just plain MADE THAT UP! In doing so, he screwed up Faramir's character and made the film a good twenty minutes longer than if he'd have done it properly. Presumably, he just wanted to give Faramir more screen time, or summat.

Helm's Deep... impressive as it was, it was, for me, tainted by putting Eomer elsewhere (he made a great partnership with Aragorn in the book) and by having Theoden give up so easily. Bah.

The Ents. Why did Jackson put in the stuff with the Ents deciding against war, but then changing their minds? Again, it seems, he just needed to give Merry and Pippin more screen time. And the time they did have was a bit pants, to be honest.

Haldir and his boys - since when were the elves of Lorien at Helm's Deep? OH. MY. GOD. This competes with the whole Osgiliath bit for biggest **** up of the lot. Why not have the dunedain and Elrond's sons come to Aragorn's aid? Would have had the same effect on the plot, but now Jackson will go down as the man who killed Haldir. Boo!

And my *****ing aobut what the did to Elrond has reached new heights. There is no way he would have tried to keep Arwen with him like that. Elrond has the gift of foresight - why doesn't he forsee that Aragorn will win? Gah, they've screwed Elrond up completely, so they have.

All that bollocks with Aragorn falling off the cliff and washing up down the river. Ye gods, that was a load of pointless drivel. Which brings me back to Elrond. He's portrayed like a troubled, single father whose daughter has chosen a boyfriend from the wrong side of town. He's going to look like a right twit when Aragorn is crowned king and marries Arwen, isn't he?

Why did Jackson feel he should have Legolas tell Aragorn that the Rohirrim would all die at Helm's Deep? I understand that he needed to drop stuff (like the Old Forest), but why did he add stuff like that?

Oh... and shouldn't the Haradrim have been black or arabic?

And now, the good stuff:

Spoiler:

Gollum. Very well done, especially the arguments he has with himself. I liked the way the CGI character can look funny or pitiable one moment, but in a flash he's become a snarling beast, ready to kill the hobbits. Nicely.

Mumakil! And wargs! Woo!

Beautiful scenery and what have you... as always...

Er... that's about it, really ... oh well

[Tar-Palantir]

He was the leaders of the elves who capture/greeted the fellowship when they entered the woods of Lorien.

He's Haldir, I think.

[Stealth]

yeah, they did screw up some parts, but remember some parts they did with pinpoint accuracy, like with the "Riders of Rohan"... for about 5 minutes there, (when they were talking to them) they pretty much used lines right out of the book, even when Aragorn called to them, and the part when Legolas pulls out an arrow and says "you'll be dead before you make your blow" or something like that.

some parts were very accurate

[Cannikin]

Originally posted by venom2506

btw, the wargs are ( supposed ) to be giant wolves, they show up in The Hobbit, but I don't think you see them in tLotR ( I don't think the wolves that attack the communauty before they reach the Moria in the first book were wargs ).

Eh, well there's one place they show up in LotR. In the FotR, near the beginning of the chapter Journey in the Dark wargs attack the fellowship as they near Moria. Of course Gandalf sends down lightning bolts and flames and fries em all (which is surprising cause he never does anything like that).

[Nico]

yeah, as I said I couldn't remember if they were args or not ( they were obviously not anyway, they left no cadaver, somehow like ghosts )

[Fineus]

Just got home from it and - Oh. My. God. I know what I want on DVD release next year!

[Nico]

Originally posted by Thunder
Just got home from it and - Oh. My. God. I know what I want on DVD release next year!

not me:
gonna wait for the DVD collector box in one year and a half. will be long, but way worth it.

[Ulundel]

Yeah. those DVDs rule. Maximum sound and quality plus tons of sweet features. Mmmmh-mmm!

[diamondgeezer]

You know the worst thing about TT? It's put me right off the idea of Return of the King. Judging by what's been leaked, and the trend of the first two films, the third one isn't going to bear any resembelence to Tolkien's writing at all.

[Dark_4ce]

We wants it.... Preciousssss treasuresss.... DVD Ssspecial Exsstended Edition of Two Towers.... Those filthy thieves.... Must wait a year for our precioussss.... AND WE WANTS IT NOW!!!!

*Snarls and runs off into his cave...."

[Rictor]

i havent seen it yet, but i fear they will change it too much

i mean the sfx are good, but peter jackson seems to think he can do better than tolkien, or seems to have caved to "mass appeal" pressure in adding among other things, the elves in helms deep, arwen's expanded role etc etc

diamondgeezer, you seem to know about tolkien and have seen the movies, whats your opinions on how much they changed it.

i'de rather that he kept true, the changes seem to have only added to the experience of the soccer mom crowd, and the people who have never read the books.

 i dont so much him changing the details (elves in helms deep, uhm, i'll know more when i see it:)) as him changing the "feel" of a few characters (arwen and eowyn(the whole thing with aragorn never happened in the books, shes after faramir))well hope for the best, i have a feeling he wont screw with RotK too much.

[diamondgeezer]

I've already explained my feelings - it's not what they cut, it's what they ADDED that bothers me. Jackson rewrote so much of TT it's untrue. He defends himself by saying that he had to cut the films or they'd be six hours long - but all thart stuff with Faramir taking them to Osgilliath? That ADDED a good twenty minutes. It would have been quicker to have done it the proper way, and it would have saved getting Faramir so completely wrong. The whole point is that Faramir saw the Ring for what it was and sidestepped the temptation. THEY DELIBERATELY DID FARAMIR WRONG!

The warg attack was fair enough - I could have lived with that. But the bit with Aragorn falling off that cliff? What the hell? Jackson CANNOT go adding his own stuff to Tolkien's writing. Boo!

And was it me, or did Treebeard sound EXACTLY like Gimli? Thought whassisname was going to give the ents a Welsh accent...

The more  think about the way they portrayed Elrond, the more I don't like it. Like I said earlier, he's put accross like Jackson is trying to equate Elrond's position with that of a modern single father or something.

I was looking forward to seeing Minas Morgul. Guess I'll have to wait. Never mind, like I say it's what Jackson added and completely rewrote that vexes me... grr...

Originally posted by Rictor
the whole thing with aragorn never happened in the books, shes after faramir

Yes it did. She was after Aragorn, he turned her down, and then Faramir pulled her when they were both in the Houses of Healing in Minas Tirith.

And unfortunately they are going to screw with ROTK. The Paths of the Dead are in there, but no scouring of the Shire. Bah!

[Rictor]

no scouring of the shire?
WTF? wait, how do you know this

i dont particularly like elrond, it seems like he hated manind and think they're all worthless..

the reason treebeard sounds like gimli is because john-rys davies voice treebeard, it seems to me he is appropriate. i think jackson should just tell everyone why he changed what he did, just cause i wanna know.

i agree, he shouldnt be re-writing tolkien, but oh well, this is good enough i guess, and if it gets people to read the book, its ok.

[Dark_4ce]

Hmm... I understand you're point that its quite odd that he decided to rewrite some of Tolkien. But I dunno... It works as it is as well. But this just poses some more questions in what will happen in the third movie? I agree that some of the changes he made might seem pointless, but I bet there meant to be done for some greater purpose, which we'll only foind out when we hear his commentary... Or if he happens to give some sort of interview. But as my friend put it "I heaven't read the books, and I won't in the future. So I really don't give a sh*t if they changed stuff, deleted stuff, or added stuff. Cause it works as a movie and as a sequel..." So I'm inclined to agree with him. The movies are just interpretations of the books. They can't ever be word for word... So lets enjoy them for what they are...

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Look, LOTR is simply the best peice of literature out there (yes, I know, except your God book).

best book of 20th century... came in before the god book

Preciousss.....

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
But as my friend put it "I heaven't read the books, and I won't in the future. So I really don't give a sh*t if they changed stuff, deleted stuff, or added stuff.

thats just lazy and ignorant. one would expect that if the movies intrigue you, you would seek out the books. and if he's one of those people who gives more of a crap about sfx and car chases than an epic, amazing story, deep characters, a living world and literature at its best, then he doesnt deserve much respect. if i had of moeny, i would gove out a free copy of the book to everyone at the theatre, just so they can appreciate for more than "wow, look at all them orcs"..

[Dark_4ce]

Originally posted by Rictor


thats just lazy and ignorant. one would expect that if the movies intrigue you, you would seek out the books. and if he's one of those people who gives more of a crap about sfx and car chases than an epic, amazing story, deep characters, a living world and literature at its best, then he doesnt deserve much respect.

Dude... Dude dude dude... Dissing other people you don't even know isn't a very respectful thing either...

So before passing judgement on other people, I suggest you understand the fact that some people happen enjoy the movies for its amazing story, deep characters, and living world, yet still don't feel like reading the books. Either because they don't have the time, or just that they don't feel enlcined to read the books anymore cause they've seen the movies. So whats so wrong in that? Or great sfx and car chases for that matter? Its not being lazy and ignorant enjoying a movie for those qualities. Being lazy and ignorant is in not understanding the point of my friends quote...

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Rictor
no scouring of the shire?
WTF? wait, how do you know this

It's been leaked. About six people have already mentioned this fact in this thread...

the reason treebeard sounds like gimli is because john-rys davies voice treebeard...

Heh... saw this comming. Yes, I know the same actor did the voice - my point is that he uses almost EXACTLY the same voice for both Gimli and Treebeard. Very annoying...

i agree, he shouldnt be re-writing tolkien, but oh well, this is good enough i guess, and if it gets people to read the book, its ok.

This is true, at least - the movies got my brother to read the entire LOTR set, and he hardly read a book before in his life.