[kode]

oh joy! swedish weapons used by americans... didn't know you had those tho. only those carl gustafs and AT4s, and that BOL countermeasures thingy...

[Warlock]

FYI, not EVERY American is running around with video footage of weapons in action bragging bout it.

It's nothing to do with "Oh look....he's got a towel on his head"  LOL  There's a bit more going on there, but I'm not getting all into that .... if you're curious...use the search....it's been posted about on and on in here already.



and I can perfectly understand why the MODs allow this thread, there's been enough anti-US threads in here with nothing done about it, why start now ?


Now has to warfare being compared to ****ing little kids....dude....you've got issues.

If you guys can't understand ,... I'm sorry,...but for most Military (I'm referring to things said in the clip,...not here) they have to create a detachment with their mission and themselves. When your JOB is to kill in war, you learn to deal with it. Trust me that was a topic we discussed while I was on active duty,...how you'd deal with it when it actually came down to pulling the trigger.  Yea it sucks to have to take another human life,...whatever the reason,...no matter how much they deserve it. But you still have to be able to perform. So they joke and comment about it ike that, make it kinna like a video game. Later once they're back home.....they can truely deal with the taking of life.


**EDIT** Just a note I JUST woke up....so if have this doesn't make since .....oh well

[Tiara]

a). I didn't say all americans, i said the people who take pride in this.

b). This isn't a simple anti-USenemy thread. There was a movie posted about them getting killed. Now I don't recall seeing movies about US soldiers/ppl getting killed in the anti-america rantings.

c). I know it has to be done BUT that doesn't mean it should be openly posted on the net. But since that is unavoidable at least don't post movies like this on HLP, which is a GAMING community.

[Warlock]

All vaild points. My meaning was the political mess going on in here has progressed so much that this was going to happen from one group or another regardless.

yea,...HlP is a gaming forum,... but it's a bit too late to use that reason,....if that was used now .... then most of the other threads that turned into "Let's ***** about the war" should have been closed long before.

Then again ... this isn't much worse than crap they let the News show us ,.... which don't get me wrong .... I wholeheartedy agree shouldn't happen. War is no place for the media. 'Nam showed us that without a doubt.

[Tiara]

Debating is ok, I don't care wether it is anti US or anti Iraq. As long as it is a discussion (not swearing etc). But posting threads with the sole purpose of showing of that the US killed these persons is just plain WRONG.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Tiara
Debating is ok, I don't care wether it is anti US or anti Iraq. As long as it is a discussion (not swearing etc).

heh I don't think any of them qualify for that though

[Nico]

Originally posted by Warlock
then most of the other threads that turned into "Let's ***** about the war" should have been closed long before.
 

it's never too late, you know. I think those discussions have no place here indeed.

[Tiara]

Yes, if you really want to discuss this sort of stuff, go to the boards that are made for pro/anti america rantings.

[Warlock]

Very true.

[CP5670]

Sure they do; they provide more room for arguing, and that is always good.

But posting threads with the sole purpose of showing of that the US killed these persons is just plain WRONG.

Actually, no, there is absolutely nothing "wrong" with people who take pride in this, just as there is there is nothing at all wrong with the al Qaeda guys who were gloating at 9/11; no one is any more universally correct than any other on likes and dislikes. You might as well say that there is something wrong with posting threads about computer games.

b). This isn't a simple anti-USenemy thread. There was a movie posted about them getting killed. Now I don't recall seeing movies about US soldiers/ppl getting killed in the anti-america rantings.

Neither do I, but if I do see one, I would take it with the same humor as anything else. I also think that this particular movie is bad, but that's because the resolution sucks.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670

Actually, no, there is absolutely nothing "wrong" with people who take pride in this, just as there is there is nothing at all wrong with the al Qaeda guys who were gloating at 9/11; no one is any more universally correct than any other on likes and dislikes. You might as well say that there is something wrong with posting threads about computer games.

Then go watch the 9/11 attacks and tell me you found it funny.

People getting killed IS NOT funny. I don't care if you say everyone has its own likes and dislikes. Taking peoples lives and making fun of it is just wrong.

[CP5670]

Then go watch the 9/11 attacks and tell me you found it funny.

I personally did not find it funny (but did not find it scary, sad, or anything else either), but I at least have a wide enough outlook to see that taking pride in it is neither good nor bad in the absolute, and thus both of the two are equally correct. I can certainly understand how it, or anything else for that matter, can be found funny, given a certain kind of mindset and experience, even if I don't find it funny myself.

People getting killed IS NOT funny. I don't care if you say everyone has its own likes and dislikes. Taking peoples lives and making fun of it is just wrong.

That is simply your opinion and is not absolutely correct. I could say that sitting in chairs is NOT FUNNY. Sitting in chairs is just wrong. Nothing is funny and everything is funny, depending on how you look at it.

What I find funny though is everyone complaining about the warmongering American government having a provincial and unsophisticated view of the world and then saying things like this.

[Tiara]

I know it is my opinion, I never said it was a fact Read my friend, read between the lines.

But we went off course as what intended to say was that ir doesn't belong on this board.

Just to set the record straight, this is my opinion on killing: I find ALL killing wrong. But when it is needed to preserve the safety of the world or just others it is warrented, but even then ALL other resources must be depleted before taking that course.

[CP5670]

I didn't see anything about opinions at all there...

still, why not keep it around? This is essentially the off-topic forum after all, and it just gives us another topic to argue on...

[Rictor]

HLP should create a "sensitive topics" forum. enter at your own risk,most anything goes

Anyways, if you think that death (especially groesome) is not funny, you have something wrong with you. The asssumption is that you know the difference between good an evil, and that good is to be admired, and evil to be a bad thing. If you dont have that moral convention in place, then  we cant discuss anything, since we are working from different moral starting points

Really, think about it. When 9/11 happened, people were crying, oh the tragedy, oh no who could do this, they must be monsters. Well America has killed more (I'm assuming, though I think you can agree, its a safe bet) more than the number who died in 9/11 in their reteliatory strikes.

What you're saying is

5000 dead Americans=biggest tragedy ever (this **** is considered worse than the Holocaust by some stupid ****ers)

5000 dead Afganistanis (or Iraqis)=preserving freedom and liberty


I would gladly discuss this in a detached manner as some have suggested, because if we look at only the numbers, America would be shown to be twice as bad as anything Anti-yank protestors have conjured.

Btw lets end this (with me having the last word) or else decide to discuss this very objectivly and talk about the numbers.

again, admins, HLP should have a "enter at your own risk" forum

[an0n]

If people are too lazy to depose leaders who take them to war, or so stupid as to vote in leaders who take them to war, then they deserve to die.

[CP5670]

Anyways, if you think that death (especially groesome) is not funny, you have something wrong with you. The asssumption is that you know the difference between good an evil, and that good is to be admired, and evil to be a bad thing. If you dont have that moral convention in place, then we cant discuss anything, since we are working from different moral starting points

Well, this whole concept of absolute good and evil is one of the most ridiculously flawed ideas I have ever seen. Once again, it could just as easily be said that if you think that sitting in chairs is good, there is something wrong with you.

My point is that you are free to believe whatever, but don't go around criticizing others for being absolutely "bad" and "evil" when they are exactly the same as you. (you sit on chairs, don't you? so you are evil! )

Really, think about it. When 9/11 happened, people were crying, oh the tragedy, oh no who could do this, they must be monsters. Well America has killed more (I'm assuming, though I think you can agree, its a safe bet) more than the number who died in 9/11 in their reteliatory strikes.

I certainly was not; it was just another event in the history of the world like any other. You need to read some of my older posts around here. The US is just as much of a terrorist nation as any other - every nation is a terrorist in its own way - and thus any action imaginable is justified as far as that goes. The best terrorist will be the winner here.

5000 dead Americans=biggest tragedy ever (this **** is considered worse than the Holocaust by some stupid ****ers)

Hold on, who exactly is claiming this? This was both an act of preserving freedom and liberty and an act of terrorism.

5000 dead Afganistanis (or Iraqis)=preserving freedom and liberty

And like the above incident, this is also both an act of liberation and one of terrorism. The two concepts are meaningless. The nations (ideally) just do whatever is best for their people alone.

Btw lets end this (with me having the last word) or else decide to discuss this very objectivly and talk about the numbers.

Sure thing. The US probably has the highest kill count so far (or maybe not since its history has been short, but it is near the top at any rate), so it is a big terrorist state. And since the more capable the terrorist the higher its chances are of victory, that's a good thing.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Tiara I would advise that you don't attempt to argue with CP, he has unique and extremist views on pretty much everything and just enjoys arguing for the hell of it.

I have to admit that at the current time I am anti US. Mostly because Bush and pals really don't care what the rest of 'the free world' think. They'll fabricate, lie and cheat their way into war if necessary.

What's worse a small terrorist organisation that brainwashes a few thousand people into doing violent, horrific acts or a corrupt government that attempts to force entire countries into war?
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[CP5670]

Tiara I would advise that you don't attempt to argue with CP, he has unique and extremist views on pretty much everything and just enjoys arguing for the hell of it.

You described me pretty well there.

I have to admit that at the current time I am anti US. Mostly because Bush and pals really don't care what the rest of 'the free world' think. They'll fabricate, lie and cheat their way into war if necessary.

heheh, that's exactly what I like about them, but they still have a sizeable portion of the world with them. The terrorist in disguise is a good terrorist indeed.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Tiara I would advise that you don't attempt to argue with CP, he has unique and extremist views on pretty much everything and just enjoys arguing for the hell of it.[/color]

He's not unique .