[J.F.K.]

Originally posted by Warlock
Isn't it time for the new season to start already ? Damn I'm tired of all these reruns

I agree with Warlock.

[kode]

I am not american, and think you shouldn't. At least not without the UN's backing. Maybe not with them backing either.

Let's solve crime by killing the victims, shall we?

[NeoHunter]

I'm not an American and I think the US shouldn't be like some cowboy and go around saying "either you other countries join us or we will goahead with the war on Iraq anyway". I mean, if that is your attitude, then why bother being part of the United Nations anyway? Bush can very well go ahead and be the king of the world! Man...he is one whacko.

About Korea. Why is everybody afraid of North Korea having nukes? Why? The US can have nukes for defense. Pakistan can have some for defense. The Indians have them too. Why North Korea can't? Because they are communists? Because they are people whom you think will nuke South Korea? Nuke Guam? Please! What year is it now? The world's attention is neither here nor there. I say we go after terrorists all the way. Petty stuff like these can wait. When the world governments are doing all this petty squabbling among themselves,  the terrorists are regrouping, rearming and recruiting. They are growing in strength while you ignore them. I say go for the terrorists! Kill them all first then settle the other stuff.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by kode

Let's solve crime by killing the victims, shall we?

That was sarcasm right? RIGHT!?

[vyper]

No point in me voting really, seeing as not only does the US Government fail to think they need the UK, nor does Bob - as there is no option for "I am not american and I think we (not just you) should".

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Why does it say we then (you) in brackets? Unless im mistaken, there are 45,000 British troops in Kuwait.

the intent was for you to say ether yes you can/should go ahead and do it, 'OR' we will help you do it
the UK has untill just the last few days seemed a defanant 'we will help'

now here is an interesting question, why is blair commiting political suicide?
could he posably, truely beleve that Iraq is an international mortal danger

[Kamikaze]

Pah, this whole disarmament thing is absurd and is obviously a veil to keep everyone bogged down and hide is just a pretext for doing whatever....

the only thing that really matters here is "should people let Bush do what he wants?" (It's kinda apparent Bush does stuff for personal gain, look at anthrax and smallpox... the ONLY company that makes vaccines for both is the company that Osama and Bush invest in... coincidence? I think not!) rather than "Should we disarm Iraq? Should we wage war on them?" (Iraq is  hardly much of a threat to international peace anyway, even if they do have WMDs)

Notice that Iraq may have WMDs, but how the hell are investigators going to find them? Investigation's a pointless excursion as invasion is (in terms of diplomatic relation), however going to war simply for that is just a bad excuse. Also notice that the UN found missles (short ranges ones at that) in Iraq that didn't violate UN ruling, but what does the US tell 'em? Get rid of them. Then Iraq nicely complies because it doesn't want the US spurting "they aren't cooperating" bull****.

no, it's not.
believe it or not, America shouldn't be aiming to take over the world, "getting rid" of nations while they're "still weak"... America claims it's all about peacekeeping and helping others... which is another lie.

You're approaching the issue from a moral standpoint, which doesn't work here. The US doesn't give a **** about what ethical codes or ideaologies it breaks, it's fine as long as the dumb poulace is still convinced that they're the nicey-nicey people. Look at the WTC, was that moral? of course not! but it was a helluva useful propaganda machine...

The world's attention is neither here nor there. I say we go after terrorists all the way. Petty stuff like these can wait. When the world governments are doing all this petty squabbling among themselves, the terrorists are regrouping, rearming and recruiting. They are growing in strength while you ignore them. I say go for the terrorists! Kill them all first then settle the other stuff.

Well the world's supreme terroists are government ya know?

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html

So it boils down to "should we shut down national government, conspiracy, propaganda, and evil politicans?", which, considering the current social system, is absurd.

[CP5670]

no, it's not.

believe it or not, America shouldn't be aiming to take over the world, "getting rid" of nations while they're "still weak"... America claims it's all about peacekeeping and helping others... which is another lie.

And if they do? Who is going to stop them, people like you? Sure that's a lie, but its truth or falsehood is actually quite irrelevant here. Every country is aiming to take over the world eventually in some way or another, so if the US (or any other nation) is to win, of course they "should" do all that and whatever else.

[Bobboau]

this http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html == this
thank you for proveing you're oppinon doesn't matter

[CP5670]

lol I just saw that, some great laughs there. As usual, we have the wonderful combination of possibility correct observations and wrong final deductions.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by CP5670
lol I just saw that, some great laughs there. As usual, we have the wonderful combination of possibility correct observations and wrong final deductions.

In reply to Bob and CP....
Errr.. I didn't say I agreed with the whold thing y'know... there were quite a few things I didn't agree with in there. However it does delve a bit deeper into the topic of terroism and propaganda and whatever than many people seem to do... which was my point (manufactured pretexts).

[Bobboau]

you say the government is the supreem terrorist and post that, it certanly looks like you suport that view to me

[Nico]

Originally posted by NeoHunter
About Korea. Why is everybody afraid of North Korea having nukes? Why? The US can have nukes for defense. Pakistan can have some for defense. The Indians have them too. Why North Korea can't? Because they are communists? Because they are people whom you think will nuke South Korea? Nuke Guam?  

Yes, that's why
heh, it's widely known koreans are stupid and would gladly nuke a country that is on their border, and would irradiate themselves along with them ( coz you never know, I prefer to point out that what I just said is ironic: I.R.O.N.I.C. - with the current level in the forums lately, I prefer to make sure people don't take it wrong... ).There's only one target the north korean might, maybe, someday, be willing to nuke, and obviously they can't.

Btw, Neohunter, you're worried of Bush's next step?
Bush won't go after North Korea exactly BECAUSE North Korea has nukes.

[vyper]

Terror is relative to your perspective.

[CP5670]

In reply to Bob and CP....
Errr.. I didn't say I agreed with the whold thing y'know... there were quite a few things I didn't agree with in there. However it does delve a bit deeper into the topic of terroism and propaganda and whatever than many people seem to do... which was my point (manufactured pretexts).

I think their physics observations might be correct. The rest of it is just good for some laughs.

[Bobboau]

[edit]North Korea[/edit] and becase we have only been fighting with them over this for the last year or so, we did have an agreement with them untill recently, now if there still doing this stuff four years from now, then we'll start talking war but so far this is still in the diplomatic stage,

unlike Iraq wich is 12 years in the makeing

[Kamikaze]

Oh, well that's what you meant... well if you'll care to explain your rationale in the contrary.... (Not particularly pleasing to just get "no, you're wrong" instead of a proper argument)

Governments are made to serve the people, but as an0n said somewhere in some thread, they seem to think of the populace more a s a resource than say (for lack of a better term) a cusomter or client.

[CP5670]

nah, it's the other way around (and always has been actually); people are made to serve the governments.

[Kamikaze]

but it should be the other way (not that that'll happen.... soon)

[Bobboau]

wait I thought we were all under the influence of propaganda, and thus we were the cusomter of the government's BS department