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do you think we should, you know...

I am an american and I think we should
25 (26%)
I am american and I don't think we should
14 (14.6%)
I am american and don't care what hapens
4 (4.2%)
I am not american and I think we (you) should
11 (11.5%)
I am not american and I don't think we (you) should
32 (33.3%)
I am not american and I don't care what you do
7 (7.3%)
I am american living elsewhere and will do it myself if they don't!
3 (3.1%)

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Voting closed: March 12, 2003, 05:52:55 pm

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Offline Fetty

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hmm lets try this

Saudi Arabia 261.7 billion barrels
Iraq 112.5 billion barrels
Kuwait 96.5 billion barrels
Iran 89.7 billion barrels
blablablablabla

middle east Total 683.5

United States 22.0 billion barrels
Mexico 28.3 billion barrels
Canada 4.7 billion barrels
north america
Total 55.0

btw
Austria 0.1 billion barrels :D


incidently

some world map thing

from cnn obviously
there u can see us is lacing "influence" in that region

 

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Uh huh. Tell me, do you get the news off of gum wrappers?

FYI, the "terrorist support" Saddam gives is to send the families of suicide bombers a pittance after their working young men blow themselves to bits, so they don't starve to death. It usually isn't much, it doesn't go to every family, and it's poor compensation for a member of the family exploding (and not exactly inducement to do so in and of itself). It's more of a politically motivated charity, and even Bush is smart enough not to say that that in itself is evil- he makes up pipe dreams about al Qaeda which have effectively been disproven time and time again.

Until you actually know what you're talking about, don't bother me, all right? Well-informed, thought-out opinions are one thing, regurgiating what you heard from Fox News or your parents is another. No offense, but it annoys the **** out of me and isn't exactly doing you any good.


Oh, my, how wrong you are - it's even funnier because it's in a post about how right you are. :lol:

When I was in Jenin last year, at one point we went to make some arrests. One of the arrestees was reportedly in the family home. This family had already "contributed" one of their sons to "the cause", and he blew himself to smithereens, taking a few people along with him in the process. Undoubtadley he's now in Paradise enjoying the company of the 70 (71? 72?) eternal virgins he receives for taking "the Zionist enemy down with him." :rolleyes:

ANYWAY.... this house was in the middle of slums - down some alley in the middle of Slumville, Jenin. But the house itself..... done up in expensive rugs, golden rimmings, decorations, expensive furniture, etc etc. You get the point.

Out of all that (which I'm sure some soldiers were tempted to take for themselves), we came out with one thing: a gold-plated plaque commending the family and thanking them for their contribution to the cause.

Remember Minority Report? That stand-in kid-napper, who demanded to be killed so that his family would be taken care of, be well off, etc? Scarily true. :blah:

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Now isn't that much better than screaming about how so and so is so *****ing **** that they wouldn't be able to tell if a **** was shoved up their *****? :D Much more artistic. ;)
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Sandwich, I heard on local news (one that has a history of really exagerating things for ratings) this morning that Iraq is moving its forces and surface to surface missiles closer to it's border and will soon be in missile range of Israel.  The report said that Iraq sees that war is inevitable and only thinks he can make an impact if he does a pre-emptive strike.  Apparently he wants very much for Israel to be taken down with him.

Since you live there, have you heard anything of this nature?  I don't trust this particular news program, and I can't seem to find anything to that affect on cnn.com or msnbc.

And, how is the general mood and day-to-day living there?  Are people going about their daily lives, or is something that is constantly on everyones mind?
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I wonder if he has figured out that I was mocking him with that statement that he has quoted in his sig
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Bob: If ineptly, yes. What do you think I quoted it for?

If you'd actually taken the time to read with comprehension (which you apparently don't do ever, judging from some of the things you've said here), you'd see the rather important distinction that my original comment had nothing to do with whether you agreed with me or not, and everything to do with the fact that you've displayed as nuanced and well-read understanding of geopolitics and current events as a watermelon. I love to talk (or argue) politics with people, and rarely make the mistake of getting personally offended by a correction or retort, but when they haven't taken the time to know something about what they're talking about and insist that your opinions are more valid than anyone else's, it's annoying as all hell, in the same sense as a newbie storming onto the SCP board and demanding that you make agressor shields that magically shoot electric beams that can blow up a Ravana in one hit from any part of the ship within the week is annoying. Read a smegging newspaper, dude, and ideally don't make it the Weekly World News.

Sandwich: And do all of these bombers' families get that compensation? Is it enough of a guarantee that the suicide bomber can safely assume that his family will be rolling in it, as opposed to starving in the streets 'cos nobody in their family can get a job?

I probably estimated the value of $10G abroad (it's hardly enough to eat on here or have a house for a relatively small family here, and certainly not enough for more than maybe four years at absolute most) wrong, but it's still not exactly an inducement in and of itself, and at any rate it's the wrong kind of "terrorism" for Bush- it's the kind that Americans can't get paranoid about, 'cos poor Palestinian suicide bombers can't cross that inconveniently large and well-defended ocean.
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poor Palestinian suicide bombers


sorry, but this just sounded incongruously funny. :D I read some article about week ago in which Hussein was referred to as a nice and cuddly neighborhood dictator, which is kind of what this sounds like. :D :D

 

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I have an odd feeling that this thread has run its course soon.

Why can't we all just get along?!!!:(
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Doh :doubt:  double post.

 

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Why can't we all just get along?!!!:(


Read 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins, some Nietzche or 'Imperialism' by lenin.

 

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CP: I meant "poor" in its literal sense. I never feel sorry for someone who intentionally gives up their life, regardless of politics.

 

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Read 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins, some Nietzche or 'Imperialism' by lenin.


I'm quite partial to reading the Science of Discworld. :D

Why bore over Lenin? He screwed up in the end anyway. :D
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No he didn't. Stalin screwed up after he died. There's a huge difference.

 

Offline Fetty

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good idea bad "implemention" just like UN

 

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UN is a bad idea, a bad implementation, and to top it all off, a bad name. :D
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NWO is much catchier.

 

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yes, that sounds much better. :yes:

 

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Sandwich, I heard on local news (one that has a history of really exagerating things for ratings) this morning that Iraq is moving its forces and surface to surface missiles closer to it's border and will soon be in missile range of Israel.  The report said that Iraq sees that war is inevitable and only thinks he can make an impact if he does a pre-emptive strike.  Apparently he wants very much for Israel to be taken down with him.

Since you live there, have you heard anything of this nature?  I don't trust this particular news program, and I can't seem to find anything to that affect on cnn.com or msnbc.

And, how is the general mood and day-to-day living there?  Are people going about their daily lives, or is something that is constantly on everyones mind?


Here ya go, from a national Israeli newspaper (the country's so small, there ain't such a thing as "local" papers, really. :p)

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/273130.html

As for the general mood, I dunno about the rest of the country, but here in Jerusalem, with the mixed Jewish / Arab population, I'm about to head out for a picnic in the park in a few minutes. :D Gotta go make me a PB&J sandwich ( :nervous: ).

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Sandwich: And do all of these bombers' families get that compensation? Is it enough of a guarantee that the suicide bomber can safely assume that his family will be rolling in it, as opposed to starving in the streets 'cos nobody in their family can get a job?


Yes, they all get compensated. That's fully half the reason they do it, you know.
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Funny how Saddam can afford to fork over million upon millions of dollars a year then to sponsor suicide bombers, and yet can't afford to get a single weapon for his army that's not a Soviet Cold War hulk.

No comment.

 

Offline Fetty

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actualy allota weps are from the US :D
remember all that iraq iran thing ?
btw
whats NWO ?
national world organisation :confused: