[Warlock]

Originally posted by Tiara
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Then why does the US want to take a 5 day break (wich wasn't planned)? Why can't they uphold a decent supply line? Then why did many people expected this to be a short war?

Ow, and why is it that 30% of all allied casualties are the result of friendly fire?

5 day break ? First i've heard of that.

reports I saw this morning said supply lines were going fine.

Ppl always expect something that they won't get. You really think the average smuck has any clue about this war to effectivly judge how long it would take ? Besides it still depends what polls you read,.. MS NBC the other day had "About as long as expected" the most popular so far for current and "Take as long as it takes" for everything else.... scroll back ... it's all posted in here.

It's not 30%  LMAO Let's not make up numbers k ? I think I've heard of about maybe 8 friendly fire situations so far,... half of which are between US and Brittish forces. Sadly it's a fact of war. Happened last tiem in the Gulf,...happened in Nam....N. Korea,...WW2,....WW1,...hell the Civil War....every war.

But then again the average armchair jockey has no clue about how this could happen and just how easily it can happen.

[Tiara]

U.S. and British troop casualties from the war. U.S. totals: 28 dead, seven captured, 16 missing. British total: 22 dead.

Thats all together (without the missing as they are not yet confirmed): 50

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US:

March 26:
Marine Maj. Kevin G. Nave, 36, White Lake Township, Mich., vehicle accident

March 22:
Navy Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, 27, La Mesa, Calif., helicopter collision
Marine Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, 26, Buffalo, N.Y., machine gun accident
Army Reserve Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, 19, Portland, Ore., vehicle accident
Marine Sgt. Nicolas M. Hodson, 22, Smithville, Mo., vehicle accident

British

March 23:

Flight Lt. Kevin Barry Main, jet shot down by friendly fire
Flight Lt. David Rhys Williams, jet shot down by friendly fire

March 25:

Cpl. Stephen John Allbutt, Stoke-on-Trent, England, tank hit by friendly fire.
Trooper David Jeffrey Clarke, Littleworth, England, tank hit by friendly fire.

March 22:

Lt. Philip Green, helicopter collision
Lt. Marc Lawrence, helicopter collision
Lt. Antony King, Helston, England, helicopter collision
Lt. Philip West, Budock Water, England, helicopter collision
Lt. James Williams, Falmouth, England, helicopter collision
Lt. Andrew Wilson, helicopter collision

Keep in mind that dozens of military officers were wounded due to friendly fire and are not on the list
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And I didn't even start about the crashes + drownings.

Thats a total of 15 out of 50 deaths. Thats 30%

*****The unidentified officers are also NOT in this list, so percentage may be a tad bit lower, but not by much*****

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Tiara
U.S. and British troop casualties from the war. U.S. totals: 28 dead, seven captured, 16 missing. British total: 22 dead.

Thats all together (without the missing as they are not yet confirmed): 50

______________________________________________

US:

March 26:
Marine Maj. Kevin G. Nave, 36, White Lake Township, Mich., vehicle accident

March 22:
Navy Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, 27, La Mesa, Calif., helicopter collision
Marine Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, 26, Buffalo, N.Y., machine gun accident
Army Reserve Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, 19, Portland, Ore., vehicle accident
Marine Sgt. Nicolas M. Hodson, 22, Smithville, Mo., vehicle accident

British

March 23:

Flight Lt. Kevin Barry Main, jet shot down by friendly fire
Flight Lt. David Rhys Williams, jet shot down by friendly fire

March 25:

Cpl. Stephen John Allbutt, Stoke-on-Trent, England, tank hit by friendly fire.
Trooper David Jeffrey Clarke, Littleworth, England, tank hit by friendly fire.

March 22:

Lt. Philip Green, helicopter collision
Lt. Marc Lawrence, helicopter collision
Lt. Antony King, Helston, England, helicopter collision
Lt. Philip West, Budock Water, England, helicopter collision
Lt. James Williams, Falmouth, England, helicopter collision
Lt. Andrew Wilson, helicopter collision

Keep in mind that dozens of military officers were wounded due to friendly fire and are not on the list
__________________________________________

And I didn't even start about the crashes + drownings.

Thats a total of 15 out of 50 deaths. Thats 30%

*****The unidentified officers are also NOT in this list, so percentage may be a tad bit lower, but not by much*****

Ok then you heard about more than I have.

[Rictor]

The glory of war. The greatness of America.

I ask you, has Iraq done worse? Has anyone, except the Nazis, done worse?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,923831,00.html

[Dan1]

What happens when the Republican Guard starts using human shields?

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Rictor
The glory of war. The greatness of America.

I ask you, has Iraq done worse? Has anyone, except the Nazis, done worse?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,923831,00.html

Hmmm being it was used to clear forest,.....I wouldn't exactly count that up there with Sadam using chemical weapons on his own civilians or placing human beings at weapons sights as shields.

And Dan1,... they already are using human shields currently.

[Rictor]

*sigh*

I dont care if it has used to used to fertilize the land or humidify the air, look at the results

[Warlock]

Well I know that, the thing is when it was used they believed it wouldn't harm humans and that it was a short term chemical and wouldn't have the effects that it did.

It's what we like to call....a **** up

That's a big difference between that and Sadam using a known lethal agent on ppl.

[kode]

didn't good ol' russia use chem weapons to resolve that hostage situation couple of months back?

[Stryke 9]

Originally posted by Warlock
Well I know that, the thing is when it was used they believed it wouldn't harm humans and that it was a short term chemical and wouldn't have the effects that it did.

It's what we like to call....a **** up

Actually, it wasn't. The chemicals were largely untested, but we did know that they could do nasty things to people. Thing was, the whole reason we were USING the defoliants was so that we could kill the same people more effectively, so we really didn't give a **** about their well-being.

You'll notice that there was a LOT of noise made about the Marines who got nice, healthy doses of Agent Orange then- at the time when we "didn't know" it would **** people up nice and proper.

Never mind the mass executions, entire villages we wiped out or naped so that they could never live there again, or the other quite nasty weapons we used in that war. That's all okay, we're the US, and when we do it it isn't "killing" civilians, it's "liberating" them.

Just someone should liberate Bush right the **** to Texas and back.


Kode: Yes. And are also fighting a war against Chechnya where the fighting on both sides makes a war crime look like a love pat. They're our allies, so it's not so brutal.

[Rictor]

jesus christ

a)how do you know it wasnt intentional

b)who the **** cares. sorry, I didnt know that blowing out the supports for a building would collapse it, killing hundreds. Thats why you have scientists tst the **** before droppping it on people, though I suppose nthat was too much of a bother.

No offence to most Americans here, but when the **** will the US take responsibility for its actions. For the A-Bomb, for Vietnam, for the countless bombings resulting in civilian deaths. I guess I'm expecting too much.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by kode
didn't good ol' russia use chem weapons to resolve that hostage situation couple of months back?

Never heard they had a situation there a few months ago.

[Stryke 9]

Warlock: Convenient. Particularly since it was headline news.

Basically, Chechen freedom fighters/"terrorists" strap bombs to themselves, grab some Kalashnikovs, and go to a crowded Moscow theater. They hold some 400 people hostage, until the Russians gas them, shoot them, and drag the half-dead civilians out. No big stink is made about how all the hostages probably no longer have working lungs, because they're a US ally and we're trying to gratify them so that they'll do what we want in the coming war.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Rictor


no offence to most Americans here, but when the **** will the US take responsibility for its actions. For the A-Bomb, for Vietnam, for the countless bombings resulting in civilian deaths. I guess I'm expecting too much.

Hmmm we had groups in Japan right after the war.

Nam, I honestly don't know of anything since we don't have much contact there,... hell from what I remember they were still finding POWs long after the war.  I won't argue that this was not onlya ****ed up war but pretty useless. Remember this was a time when they'd order troops to take a hill,... leave just to repeat it a week later. the whole situation was ****ed up.

Countless Bombings, far as I recall every place we've bombed we've sent in humanatarian aid and financial aid.

Far as any other way you want us to take responsibility for things,...I've got no idea what the hell you expect us to do. Sadly the US feels it needs to be the world's police force.  Honestly I'm like to see us just ignore other bull**** in the world until it's a chance that it will affect us.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Warlock: Convenient. Particularly since it was headline news.

 

So sorry I missed that headline.

[Stryke 9]

Originally posted by Warlock

So sorry I missed that headline.

It went on for more than a week. It was on TV, radio, and newspaper. And it was all they were talking about.

[Rictor]

if only the government enforced your "leave everyone the **** alone" policy

Just because you send humanitarian aid, doesnt justify the killing beforehand. Is it ok for me to shoot you, if I promise to send you to the hospital right after? The US has killed more people over the past 50 years than almost any regime/ nation on earth. And yet, they think of themsleves as peacekeepers.

Sorry to everyone who is American and doesnt support these actions, I'm just pissed at all the **** that people can get away with.

[Stryke 9]

I think the result of the humanitarian "aid" is touched upon in a great quote in Apocalypse Now- "They shoot a man in half and then give him a band-aid, and feel better about it".

[Warlock]

*shrug*

Ok we're evil. We're Hitler's reborn colon in power. Bush is satan. Our bill of rights really has 11 and that last one is to kick everyone else's ass as we see fit.

Yet if we hadn't have done half the **** ppl ***** about... what would be going on right now in the world hmmm ?

Well for one Hitler would be telling your ass what to do.

Sadam would probably have gassed every country on his borders and have control of every oil well there.

etc etc.

Anyways I'll play more later, got plans to do things today Take it easy and try not to pop a blood vessel k?

[Stryke 9]

Uh, for one thing, Smartiac, the US did not singlehandedly stop Hitler. At most, our belated intervention kept the Russians from smearing Germany about a month later and then taking over the entire rest of Europe. For another, Saddam likely wouldn't have those weapons without us and our Cold War monkeying.

But grow up- really. The US is selfish and violent, not necessarily evil. This country has accomplished good things as well as bad, just like any person. It's the vaunted images of the US as God and Jesus and Mom baking apple pie that's annoying. The US isn't the Antichrist, but it isn't the ****ing savior of the world, either, and until most of the country recognizes that we're going to go on doing horrible things, over and over and over again.