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do you think we should, you know...

I am an american and I think we should
25 (26%)
I am american and I don't think we should
14 (14.6%)
I am american and don't care what hapens
4 (4.2%)
I am not american and I think we (you) should
11 (11.5%)
I am not american and I don't think we (you) should
32 (33.3%)
I am not american and I don't care what you do
7 (7.3%)
I am american living elsewhere and will do it myself if they don't!
3 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 94

Voting closed: March 12, 2003, 05:52:55 pm

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Offline aldo_14

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LOL Thought I'd get a responce on that :D

You know ... the A bomb in WW2 was a hellish thing to do,... but then again look at the times/circumstances.


NB:  I can;t remeber where (was a few months ago), but there's been some evidence that the US launcyhed those 2 raids against Japan to intimidate Stalin rather than because of military necessity.

 

Offline Warlock

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*shrug*

Could be .... been a long time since I was doing reports on WW2
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From what I've heard the US are not the only ones bidding....even France is getting things lined up to profit from the effects of the war.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2887079.stm

Looks like I'm a few weeks or so out of date :)

Although I did actually say at the time of the Afghanistan conflict that that country should have been totally rebuilt and modernised post-conflict, simply to send a message to the rest of the Arab world... I think it may be too late to achive the same result in Iraq, though, as the divde has been widened too much IMO.

 

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The Netherlands will also have a part in the rebuilding proces :p
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Offline Shrike

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I think the presence of an oil-funded (both in terms of personal wealth and campaign contributors) President does throw suspicions in that direction... I would like to know why the **** only US companies were allowed to bid for the rebuilding contract?
I believe that there's a US law on the books that says only US companies can bid on contracts from Congress, however, the list of subcontractors already included British firms.
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Personally though ... I find it amusing all the anti-war countries that are jumping on the 'bidding wagon' for the rebuilding effort.

Kinna,...
"We're completely against this war,........what profits? Hell yea"
:wtf:
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Offline Pez

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By splicing together entirely different conversations in order to have the person who's 'speaking' say something entirely different from what they actually said.


First of all. Go see the movie, it's great.

You americans should be proud of Michael Moore. It's always good to see/read another side of a story.

Finally, sticking words into someone elses mouth is a totally different thing that "splincing together entirely different conversations". Again see the movie, then we can talk about it.

 

Offline Razor

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and i agree with RAZOR...

NUKE EM ALL.


Where the hell did I say NUKE EM ALL? :wtf: I just said the opinions of americans that were recorded during the NATO agression on Yugoslavia in 1999.

 

Offline Razor

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What kind of a pathetic argument is this supposed to be? In this case the government is doing what is good for the nation, which makes it "right" as far as that goes. (and what Iraq is doing is "right" too, for its purposes)


I don't know why you people even try to tell anything to CP. Your words don't even reach this guy.

 

Offline Knight Templar

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Somehow I doubt the majority of the American Population wanted to Nuke your country :doubt:

Can we get back to Iraq and away from Razor's personal hatred for the United States? :)
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REBUILDING of Iraq is going to cost US billions ? Yea we're in this for money alright. :rolleyes:


Freeze it right there! Did you say rebuilding? US is going to rebuild Iraq? :lol: :lol: Don't crack me up please! If USA starts rebuilding Iraq, the admins here, at VW and everywhere else may bann me for life. They have my permission.

Geez dude. Do you REALLY think that is going to happen?

 

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Somehow I doubt the majority of the American Population wanted to Nuke your country


Where did you live in 1999? On the moon or something, isolated from society? I know what I have been hearing and reading back then. And one more thing, I don't really hate American people and your country at all. I just hate your government because of it's dictatorship.

 

Offline Knight Templar

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 If USA starts rebuilding Iraq, the admins here, at VW and everywhere else may bann me for life. They have my permission.






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Freeze it right there! Did you say rebuilding? US is going to rebuild Iraq? :lol: :lol:


I'll believe it when I see it. I hope they do it.

 

Offline Warlock

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Freeze it right there! Did you say rebuilding? US is going to rebuild Iraq? :lol: :lol: Don't crack me up please! If USA starts rebuilding Iraq, the admins here, at VW and everywhere else may bann me for life. They have my permission.

Geez dude. Do you REALLY think that is going to happen?



:rolleyes:

No we're planning to just **** 10 billions downa big hole for no reason.

You know.... I thought somewhere you posted that you were 17,..not 10. :doubt:
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Offline Bobboau

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"Where did you live in 1999? On the moon or something, isolated from society? I know what I have been hearing and reading back then. "

you see right there,
"I know what I have been hearing and reading back then."
you herd and saw difern't thing as we did, nobody in America wanted to nuke you, if we did we just would have (I think the current situation proves we will do whatever we want to), what we wanted to do was to stop you're government from systematicly killing an entire people, the fact that this is the mesage you got shows why haveing a state run media is a bad thing to listen to.
further, what has happened to you're contry sence then?
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Finally, sticking words into someone elses mouth is a totally different thing that "splincing together entirely different conversations". Again see the movie, then we can talk about it.
Uhhh....... no, there isn't.  If he splices together three entirely seperate conversations into one in order to create an entirely fictitious conversation and give the impression that the conversation he created he was real, I'd say he was putting words into people's mouth.

The splicing is how he did it, putting words in people's mouths is what he did.
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Offline Shrike

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Where did you live in 1999? On the moon or something, isolated from society? I know what I have been hearing and reading back then. And one more thing, I don't really hate American people and your country at all. I just hate your government because of it's dictatorship.
A dictatorship.  I'm sure Bush's secret paramilitary forces will be seizing control any day now.  Any day now...

Riiiiiiiiight.

Hell, Canada's got far more of a dictator than the US does.  You do realize that Bush will be out in at maximum of five more years, right?
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wars aren't good for the little people. only for business and for the government. but I guess you aren't one of the little people.


They may or may not be so, depending on other circumstances; I can think of situations where it can go either way.

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You americans should be proud of Michael Moore. It's always good to see/read another side of a story.


The same can be said about bin Laden though.

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I don't want to get a point. I'm ignorant and hypocritical.


That is obvious enough. :D

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I don't know why you people even try to tell anything to CP. Your words don't even reach this guy.


I would not be talking; I actually take the time to respond to any arguments directed at me, and I don't forget what people say to me within two days. And of course, I don't run out of credible arguments immediately and start having to resort to personal insults. :D

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considdering how much you are going to make later on it, it is pocket change.


As far as the monetary gains/losses alone go, the US will lose a lot here; even the war expenses alone will exceed any benefits gained by taking all of the oil, and the reconstruction costs will be much more. If this was about money, the US must be hiring the worst economists in the world. :D The US does indeed have big interests in doing this, but they have nothing to do with money.

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There are a LOT of question to be answered about the motivations of this war, and the so-called 'Bush Doctrine' in general - which seems to be an excuse for aggressive colonialism / 'guinboat diplomacy' which has alientated the US and (sad to say) UK from the rest of the world.


As I said earlier, this is not unique to Bush or the US at all. Every country is doing this right now, and has been doing so for thousands of years, because it is the winner's strategy in international politics. If only Bush was doing it, the US would encompass the entire globe by now, but the others aren't that stupid. :D

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After all, why hasn't there been a similar amount of effort to deal with the likes Iran, N.Korea (WMD), or Zimbabwe (Dictatorship). And didn't the US make offers to (I think) Gambia - a military dictatorship - when it was still trying to secure a 2nd resolution?


Because they do not pose a threat to us at the moment (with the exception of NK, but they might be the next ones up). The US is not against Iraq just because it has a totalitarian government, but mainly because it is a threat to our objectives; this is what all smart governments do. Of course, a side effect of the war will be the deposing of Hussein and the Iraqi people will benefit, but that goal is secondary to other things.

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If USA starts rebuilding Iraq, the admins here, at VW and everywhere else may bann me for life. They have my permission.


Now this is the best thing I have read in this thread so far. I'm going to keep a record of this quote for future reference. :D
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I mean damn ... if you've got hmmm say 5 Kilos of Weed in the truck,...and a guy in a suit askes to inspect your car,.. but says you've got every right to say "NO" ... would you let him ?


Chances are I wouldn't be capable of driving for a loooooooooong time if I had five kilo's. :)
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