[kode]

Originally posted by Mr Carrot
Those pictures are horrifying...... but remmber there were no Al Jezzera cameras in the torture chambers and gassing showers of Saddams secret police buildings. Personally id rather be shot through the head like that bloke then bleed slowly to death because i have razor blades surgicaly implanted in my scrotum and rectum.

I'd rather be tortured, I must say. At least I'd prefer it over the cuba treatment.

the US should release the swedish citizen from that cuba base. he's innocent, you know...

[CP5670]

like what? your house? I wish...

my house would have been worse from their point of view, since it is not very important for the nation. I meant like the white house or capitol building, which would be have been much more useful and a big victory for them.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by kode


I didn't know you could live a whole life without getting screwed over at least once, being screwed also involves dying.

I'm not talking to you anymore.

[kode]

Originally posted by CP5670


my house would have been worse from their point of view, since it is not very important for the nation. I meant like the white house or capitol building, which would be have been much more useful and a big victory for them.

so where were they going with that plane that crasched? the worlds largest ball of twine?

[kode]

Originally posted by Tiara


I'm not talking to you anymore.

good. only a thousand or so to go.

[Tiara]

Whats his problem? Does he have a minority complex to fill by pissing off every member on the board?

[CP5670]

so where were they going with that plane that crasched? the worlds largest ball of twine?

what exactly is your argument there and how is it relevant to the piece you quoted? two were going for the WTC, and the other two had other targets but didn't quite succeed; they should have sent all of their resources to those places instead.

good. only a thousand or so to go.

you are going to have tough time with me, as I like reading your posts; they provide a good laugh if nothing else.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670
I like reading your posts; they provide a good laugh if nothing else.

[kode]

Originally posted by CP5670


what exactly is your argument there and how is it relevant to the piece you quoted? they were going for the WTC.



you are going to have tough time with me, as I like reading your posts; they provide a good laugh if nothing else.

now, I couldn't really care much less for foreign politics, but weren't there four planes involved or something?

well well... got some stuff to do. 'll swing by your house later.

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by Tiara




Ok, what is wrong in that sentence?

Let me clarify.  Gravity bomb is what I meant by the "bomb".  That creates a unique blast.  A car bomb blast is totally different.

[diamondgeezer]

How come the British troops have begun (limited) peacekeeping and law-enforcement operations in Basra, whilst the US says the looting in Baghdad will 'die out in a few days'. Our lads seemed to start laying down the law as a natural extension to the liberation... the Merkins seem content to sit in their tanks 'until the police can be reactivated'.

What the hell is this? The trained police were part of the regime, so they'll be keeping their heads down. Do the US plan to recruit people off the streets and have a working police force inside of a week? Merkins in the audience, can you explain to me - has the US gone in and liberated Baghdad with no real plan for keeping law and order until this interim government thingy is set up? I've been an adamant supporter of the campaign and it seems that the British forces in Basra have the right idea. But the US letting the citizens of Baghdad run wild for days on end is cuasing me much concern over plans for reconstruction - if martial law is not declared, there will be no city to reconstruct.

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by CP5670


compared to what we have done? pretty pathetic, if that's the best the others can do; Qaeda could have at least gone for something more important...

Yes they could have.  LIKE A MILITARY TARGET.  They crossed the line when they went after civilians.  In war when that usually occurs the other side crosses the line.  They were lucky we didn't.

[kode]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
How come the British troops have begun (limited) peacekeeping and law-enforcement operations in Basra, whilst the US says the looting in Baghdad will 'die out in a few days'. Our lads seemed to start laying down the law as a natural extension to the liberation... the Merkins seem content to sit in their tanks 'until the police can be reactivated'.

What the hell is this? The trained police were part of the regime, so they'll be keeping their heads down. Do the US plan to recruit people off the streets and have a working police force inside of a week? Merkins in the audience, can you explain to me - has the US gone in and liberated Baghdad with no real plan for keeping law and order until this interim government thingy is set up? I've been an adamant supporter of the campaign and it seems that the British forces in Basra have the right idea. But the US letting the citizens of Baghdad run wild for days on end is cuasing me much concern over plans for reconstruction - if martial law is not declared, there will be no city to reconstruct.

you make sense. thank you.

[Mr Carrot]

lack of experience tbh geezer, good at fighting crap at peace keeping, lesson one in peace keeping is NEVER wear sunglasses, the Para instructors were teaching them how to do it last week and theyve forgotten already. The eyes and handmovements are all youve got to communicate with an iraqi who doesnt know english, and the eyes can be a lot more telling about your intentions then the cold steely glare of some mirrored ray bans which make you look intimidating and come accross the the civies like your trying to create an air of superiority (why all the drug lord bastards henchmen wear them).

[Deepblue]

Stryke 9: And it's called every major newspaper and radio source.

And you eat that up? Most newspaper and radio sources have personal interests. Its called propaganda.

[diamondgeezer]

*gently but firmly pushes kode away*

So what you're all saying is that the American army should be run by Brits? Blimey... ph34r the ultimate fighting force

[Mr Carrot]

nah the yanks should just stop paying 8 billion a year to the isralis so they can buy brand new bulldozers to bulldoze orphanages with and give it to the MOD instead

[Stryke 9]

Deepblue: And so you're more trusting of... what, exactly? Some militant rightist Dixiecrat rag produced by the Freemen with tinfoil hat making tips on the back page? I'm sure they're so much more reliable.

Of course, "reading between the lines" is a foreign concept to you. It requires conprehension and a basic understanding of geopolitics.



FalconX: I'll say to you what I said to Sandwich. Give 'em guns, give 'em bombs, give 'em the ability to fight the military without it being just outright suicide, and I can guarantee they would pick Army targets over civilians every time. Nobody likes killing civilians when it's avoidable, even if you don't care about them it's bad tactics on the whole as compared to military, but with the current military power gap and governmental indifference to damn near everything not war anyone who has a beef with the US has pretty much no alternative but terrorism. It's not like they're about to just go stand in front of one of our tank columns waving little signs saying "Shoot me!"

Or, just remove the contention point. Takes a lot more work, but until you're willing to treat the problem one way or the other don't complain. 'Cos there's only gonna be more and more, and you might as well get used to it.

[Pez]

Originally posted by Tiara


Lack of respect? You haven't read my posts at the beginning of the thread, eh? I was and still am against this war for these kind of things. But I understand that there are civilian casualties, and I deeply regret that.

Now, don't come with those pictures, thats what I call a lame arguement. We all know they suffer. They suffer a lot. But if you want to stop the US military or Saddams regime and not kill any innocents be my guest.

And the western people dying **** is all wrong as well. We had the "Bijlmer-ramp" where an airplane flew into a 14 stories high flat. Did the rest of the world care? For 2 minutes maybe. There have been dozenbs of train accidents and a few plane accidents here in Holland and nobody cared besides the people from Belgium who helped with the plane crash in Brabant (South of Holland).

A major political figure gets assasinated in Holland, nobody beside every single Dutch person gives a ****.

Sheez... Don't gimme that excuse of western people being more valueble. I mourn about Islamic people as much as I do for American or any other western human being that gets killed.

Don't draw your conclusions about a person from 1 or 2 posts.

I have read most of your post here and I know what side your on. And the my previous post wasn't really adressed as a remark at you. I shouldn't have quoted you, sorry.

Maybe you mourn about every single people who dies but that is not what most people do and as I wrote I still thing there is a lack of respect for the iraqi people. I see of "well, you know that it's a war, civilian causualties are unavoidable". And sure I agree in some degree but if it would be 5000 americans, 5000 swedes or 5000 dutch people who were being killed this board and the media would report in another way.

Pim Fortuyn were big news over here when he was murdered. And just I couple of weeks ago I heard that the murderer was remorseful over what he did. So sure we get dutch news over here.

[Shrike]

1200-odd replies and it's all going around in a circle now.  I think it's time for a new topic.