[karajorma]

Okay. Here's an odd one with the launcher that was sent out for us testers.

When I ran it I suddenly started getting a lower quality text on the HUD. I quit and tried turning on the GForce fix and everything started to work properly again. The thing is that I`ve never ever had any problems with text on FS2 until I used the launcher.

I was using FS_open 3.5.1, and the default setting of the launcher except from clicking on the large textures checkbox.

Apart from that little odity the launcher seems to work well.

[RandomTiger]

That is very odd, perhaps you could contact me directly by e-mail about this. If you post stuff about the launcher to the forums theres a risk I wont see it.

I need to know:

1. What gfx card you have
2. What API you selected (DX5, DX8 etc)
3. Have you updated your drivers, installled DX9 or made any changes to your system.

Thanks.

Anyone else experiencing this should contact me:

[email protected]

[##UnknownPlayer##]

Ok that's just weird, he wasn't even using the DX8 merge...

[karajorma]

Okay. I`ll post here and then e-mail it to Random Tiger

1) I`m using a Radeon 7200

2) I selected the DX5 API

3) I`ve made no changes to the my drivers since I last ran FS_open 3.5.1

4) The problem is even odder than I first reported.

When I run the launcher I get garbled text. It's not really bad but it is less clear than the usual (I`ve attached a pic to show what I mean).
 If I quit and then run the SCP version without the launcher the text remains garbled.
 If I then tick the gForce fix button things go back to normal (even if I`m not using the Launcher).

I`m guessing it must be altering my Registry settings somehow since the effect exists whether I use the launcher or not

It's not really a big problem to me since the gForce fix eliminates the problem but I thought you guys would want to know.

[CP5670]

I actually get that kind of text and general bluriness all the time if I turn on antialiasing, but I think the price is worth it.

[diamondgeezer]

My Ti4200 [] has a box entitled 'texture sharpening. This fixes the etxt problems for me. Perhaps this optiuon would allow you to fix the text problem without fiddling with the registry, karajorma?

[karajorma]

The launcher can actually fix the problem itself. I just thought I ought to mention the problem.

[CP5670]

My Ti4200 [] has a box entitled 'texture sharpening. This fixes the etxt problems for me. Perhaps this optiuon would allow you to fix the text problem without fiddling with the registry, karajorma?

hmm, that setting doesn't do anything for me at all in FS2 (GF3)...

On an unrelated note, I have seen two graphics related bugs, one that cropped up in fs2_open 3.5 and another that has been there since the game was released; where should I be reporting such stuff?

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by CP5670
hmm, that setting doesn't do anything for me at all in FS2 (GF3)...

I'm using Detonator version 41.09, BTW. Though perhaps you just need a a beefier card

[deep_eyes]

I got this interesting thread when i saved it to a text file (not an error of some sort it was i think a compile of info); whats it mean?

:Compiled:

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Max texture repeat: 0
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Extents adjust: 0

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[RandomTiger]

This is your D3D8 capablilities. In the future I hope to be able to capture other peoples caps and use them to simulate other gfx cards on mine.

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Originally posted by RandomTiger
This is your D3D8 capablilities. In the future I hope to be able to capture other peoples caps and use them to simulate other gfx cards on mine.

i c, beyond the slip and slide babylon five star fury like movements from certain shivan ships, everythings a go for the launcher. just need the opengl to actually run in HIRES when u select hires, but im thinking that this is an issue with 3.5.... did 3.5.1 come out for the testers?

oh and might i add, from now on, all HLP members display there computer stats in there signature? This way its easier to just get the info from peeps unfamilure with the standards of the scp requirements?

[Fry_Day]

And from those caps, I'd say you're using a Riva TNT 2 card of some flavor

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Originally posted by Fry_Day
And from those caps, I'd say you're using a Riva TNT 2 card of some flavor

of course!