[diamondgeezer]

Stealth fighters and bombers should also be hideously expensive, again taking the Spirit and Nighthawk as examples. Perhaps the |337 of the |337 units of SOC use them, but the rest of the fleet doesn't even know they exist.

And let's look at Nod stealth tanks - weak armour, and they have to decloak to fire. What if they could fire while cloaked? What if they had uber guns and armour? The GDI would need a tank the size of a city to counter them, to make up for their lack of stealth.

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Diamond Geezer holds a fork-lift licence

[LtNarol]

Nah, GDI commanders only need a few Titans and a sensor array

[diamondgeezer]

Love those Titans

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Diamond Geezer stands for truth and justice

[LtNarol]

And those Orcas - I miss the old days when I'd show up at someone's front door with a nice squadron or two of those babys, pretty funny when you send them in swarms

[diamondgeezer]

Oh, you gotta love those Orcas. Got SAMs? Well I got Orca bombers, so bring it, *****

I really wish I could find my TS discs

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Diamond Geezer plays the game, not the occasion

[Liberator]

Why?  TS was released in almost pre-beta form.  To be honest, it looks like a technology test for the Red Alert 2 engine.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

So very true.

[Noise]

Isn't amazing how fast and in how many directions a conversation can go completely off course?
Anywho, what I was looking for was something with (take Pegasus as an example) slightly heavier armor, and payload.  Sure maneuverability will have to drop, but thats life.  I was really hoping a weapons bay large enough to hold a single Cyclops.

[karajorma]

As I said. The Stealth fighter from COW should be perfect for you It even looks similar to the pegaus. You may need to edit the tables a little but that shouldn`t be too hard.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Liberator
Why?  TS was released in almost pre-beta form.  To be honest, it looks like a technology test for the Red Alert 2 engine.

I liked the story, I liked the interface, I liked the unit and building design. Thus, I liked the game. Leave it alone.

[Charmande]

TS didnt have enough tanks.  Mechs are cool, but tanks are what make C&C games.  ALl they had was the stupid NOD Tick Tank.  and a mammoth tank if you edit the rules.ini file.  Now Red ALert 2 goes back to having lots of nice tanks.  tanks are nice.  tanks are your friend.  without tanks, the world is lost.

[LtNarol]

You only had tick tanks if you didn't know how to build a tech center; I bring to your attention the wonderful things known as Disruptors, DTs, Stealth tanks.

Stealth tanks are actually quite fun if you can get enough of them, you'd be surprised how few people know to deploy sensor arrays where their harvesters go

[Nico]

Originally posted by Charmande
TS didnt have enough tanks.  Mechs are cool, but tanks are what make C&C games.  ALl they had was the stupid NOD Tick Tank.  and a mammoth tank if you edit the rules.ini file.  Now Red ALert 2 goes back to having lots of nice tanks.  tanks are nice.  tanks are your friend.  without tanks, the world is lost.

you get some mammoth tanks in a mission too, tho you can't build them.
back on topic, just my two cents: I don't see any pb with a heavy stealth fighter.
tradeoffs?
B2 and F117 both fly like a brick because of strange aerodynamics? that's true. but FS2 is in space, so it's irrelevant.
internal weapons? yeah, that's true ( altho if I'm not mistaken the F22 can carry external hardpoints if needed ). in FS2, all teh ships have internal bays. so?
expensiveness, yeah, the B2 is the most expensive plane ever, and the F22 has the worst price/efficiency ratio ever ( ). in fs2 they pop up cruisers and destroyers by the dozen, and can bring a new ship ( perseus for exemple ) in full service in an outstandingly short time. I doubt even an uber fighter would make a big hole in the GTVA wallet.
ST has crappy tech fluff? that is SOOOOO true
but FS2 isn't really better

"steps back in the shadows where he came from"

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by IceFire
If you were to do a good heavy fighter...I'd say...limit the armor, max the guns out at 4, make the guns have low compatability with certain weapon types, and try and make the craft have a specialized purpose.

I see stealth fighters being used as scouts and espinoage.  A heavy stealth fighter could be used to take out a specific target...say a cruiser or a transport and then fading away.

I'd say pretty much the same - IMO, the main aspect to an FS2 stealth fighter is that it has low emissions, so it has to dissapate heat & em energy over the surface (the blue conduits on the Pegasus, ie).  So too many primaries would give a localised heat & energy source that could be detected.  

By the same reasoning, the bigger the ship, the better (more area to dissipate energy over) - but the easier the target (and presuming a loss of maneuverability).  

So if you factor those in, the 'best' stealth fighter would only be equivalent to an interceptor IMO... any stealth bomber would either be light but only carry weak weapons, or huge and be an easy target.  And the bets use (and the best gameplay wise) IMO is for recon, or covert ops - i.e. surgical strikes, TAG-ing ships, launching diversionary attacks, etc.

[Woolie Wool]

A stealth system on a heavy fighter would result in either a supership or a POS. If you tried to balance a stealth Herc, you'd end up with a slow, unmaneuverable, poorly armed piece of cannon fodder. The Ptah and Pegasus work because they are so quick and agile that they can shake an enemy if the bogey gets a visual on them. In an Ares, it can be very difficult to shoot down a Ptah because it will constantly outmaneuver you and fly out of your field of view and so you end up turning every which way trying to figure out where the Ptah went while it gradually wears you down with its twin pea shooters (however, a light fighter like a Perseus or Manticore will have little trouble with a Ptah, and if you're flying a Ptah and get spotted by a Dragon, kiss your ass goodbye!). In a so-called heavy stealth fighter, once the enemy fighters see you, you will not be able to shake them, and they will rip you to shreds.