[Rictor]

I propose we re-introduce gladiatoral games for ****ers like this

put him up against a few tigers, see how well he fares

[Turnsky]

wearing only speedos and weilding a pair of rusty toenail clippers..

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by Vertigo1
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20030425_137.html

That sick son of a *****!  If you ask me, they outta throw him in a cave with the surviving cats and let them have a go at him.

You started a thread concerning tigers?  Dude they've slaughtered a **** load more people.  Do you care about that?

[Amon_Re]

Originally posted by Falcon X


You started a thread concerning tigers?  Dude they've slaughtered a **** load more people.  Do you care about that?

Not really, we're not an endangered species

Cheers,

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Falcon X
You started a thread concerning tigers?  Dude they've slaughtered a **** load more people.  Do you care about that?

Umm...your point?  You trying to be an asshole or do you you have an actual point to that post?

Wait....let me guess....you're one of those morons that believe that humans are superior over all just because we're higher up on the evolutionary ladder.

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by Vertigo1


Umm...your point?  You trying to be an asshole or do you you have an actual point to that post?

Wait....let me guess....you're one of those morons that believe that humans are superior over all just because we're higher up on the evolutionary ladder.

Correct... and the last time I checked a tiger doesn't care how much of its prey there is.  Protect your own species first.

[Fineus]

Tigers look after their own family - the extent of their powers, I don't see those in power in the heirarchy of humanity scrambling over eachother to protect the species - quite the opposite - who would you like to have a war with today?

Sure it'd be nice if everyone was nice to eachother and didn't kill or harm eachother, but we're not that intelligent. Since we've seen fit to exert control over these animals don't you think we should take care for them instead of killing them? Hell - you don't see them picking up M-16s and having a crack at fighting back...

[Stryke 9]

Well, the survival instinct doesn't really kick in when there's more people than anyone could reasonably hope to kill in even two lifetimes.

Besides, you DO see territorial wars between most large carnivorous animals. They're distinctly antisocial. They're generally more occasional, largely accidential incursions and drivings-off than anything else, but when you're a big predator there's supposed to be plenty of space to go around.




In humans, this is distinctly not the case.

[Galemp]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Besides, you DO see territorial wars between most large carnivorous animals. They're distinctly antisocial. They're generally more occasional, largely accidential incursions and drivings-off than anything else, but when you're a big predator there's supposed to be plenty of space to go around.

In humans, this is distinctly not the case.

No, instead we make pre-emptive strikes so we don't have to drive off the invaders later.

I hate humanity.

[Stryke 9]

It's all part of herd mentality. Being combative omnivores, we're in a unique situation, with a strong social instinct (as seen in herding animals- useful for protection in the case of plentiful resources to share. Think communism.) and yet the antisocial, self-reliant tendencies of the predator (and, after all, we started out meat-eaters during an ice age- the nastiest, greediest, toughest monkeys were the ones who got to pass on their nasty, greedy, tough genes, and not, say, starve to death and get run over by a glacier). So, we're hostile towards each other, yet need other humans to the extent where people go insane after only a couple months of real solitude. And so, war. And more war. And more. Until we either learn to subvert our violent tendencies (baad idea- tend to manifest all at once, you'd get saints who'd eventually take out the choir with an AR-10, never mind that life would be pretty much hell), DIvert them (which tends to create more. See rioting football fans, whatever evidence there is that video games and rock music turn little kids into sociopathic gun-wielding hellions, etc.), or get rid of our compulsion to act as a society- and there isn't enough space in the galaxy for several billion humans who love lots of private time.

[Galemp]

In other words, we're doomed.

I suspected as much.

Excuse me for not being very verbose. I worked through last night.

[Stryke 9]

No, just dysfunctional. We're fecund enough that we can replace the damage we do, and since we're pretty much the scariest thing out there, short of something even more screwed up than us coming out of space very soon and blowing up the earth, not much else gonna stop us. And there's even a cap point for that, seeing the rate at which we develop weapons technologies.

[neo_hermes]

SICK!!!:mad:

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by Turnsky

we will be set in our ways until a much more advanced species shows up and gives us all a royal boot up the arse, so to speak....

Amen to that. Bring on the Culture, I say...

Here's a quote that's nice and relevant:

"PEOPLE = ****"  - Slipknot song and lyric

I hate the band's music, but I think they hit the nail on the head with that line...  Kinda sucks, does that....

[Stryke 9]

Innit great how people who wanna bash on humanity always put themselves at arm's length from the rest of the species?

"Oh, no, I'm not like them!" My ass. I'm a people, you're a people, Slipknot's technically composed of people, and there are tons of people who don't like rapacious corporations, War on Everything, or repressive neofascist regimes taking over what were perfectly good, if slightly dirty, countries. This is like a black guy fifty years ago *****ing about those "damn lazy darkies", or one of those Bible-obsessed women who think women were a plot by Satan to tempt men. Get real- you and the furries.

It's a problem that can be analyzed and dealt with on a very personal level. You've got your own subject for round-the clock observation into behavioral traits right here, and you can do more exhaustive research and tests on the subject than any other in the universe. But if you think you're something special, not essentially every bit as ****ed-up, every bit as confused, every bit as pissed-off as the rest of humanity... well, you're not gonna get anywhere, and you're certainly not gonna get much less ****ed-up, confused, or pissed off.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Falcon X


Correct... and the last time I checked a tiger doesn't care how much of its prey there is.  Protect your own species first.

Fine, how bout I throw your ass in a locked cage with a tiger with nothing to defend yourself but your bare hands and see how superior you feel then.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Stryke 9


Innit great how people who wanna bash on humanity always put themselves at arm's length from the rest of the species? *snip*

Stryke, its a classic case of humans = smart, but people = dumb.  If you yell "ITS A BOMB!" around a single person, he or she will look at you like you're a moron.  However, if you did that in a crowded room....well, lets just say some people are going to get trampled.  See what I mean?

[Stryke 9]

Uh... first, I'm sure you've never heard anyone really take a go at the "well, you'd be defenseless without tools and hence are inferior to animals!" thing, and you're very proud of how clever you're being, but don't be. It's all about survival. We didn't have teeth, we didn't have claws, we survived anyway, and we graduated on to the civilization school of getting killed. Might as well say that if you defanged a tiger and tied its paws, it would be helpless, and hence it's a foolish, inferior animal.

Now, a better test might be to drop him out in the forest and see how long he lasts. Most of today's pasty console jockeys couldn't start a fire to save their lives without a lighter and at least two gallons of gasoline, and they'd probably put their eyes out trying to reinvent the spear. Me, I had Boy Scouts inflicted on me as a child, and of the insane survivalist/prison camp strain to boot (ever know a fishing line and hook could make an effective weapon?), so maybe I'm not being objective, but I think that'd be a more fair test of survivability, nyet? Let us go at what we're good at.


As for the other thing... yeh. Herding instinct again. Mobs are mobs, of course, but the vast majority of the time mob psychology is not representative of people as a whole. It's among the worst behavior we have, but just because it's extreme doesn't mean it's prevalent. Hell, that would mean that the guys on Jackass were model citizens, of perfectly normal intelligence.

[Vertigo1]

Entirely defenseless?  No, but he'd be overpowered almost immediately by the tiger.  Thats the point.

As for dropping him in a forest....lmao!  That would be something I'd pay to see.  He'd prolly pull a Sid trying to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together. (Ice Age reference)