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yea thats pretty much right.  africa wasnt overrun until the very end because they kept stealing the parts and fuel the machines needed to run.  but it wasnt cause they were trying to stop the machines. no sir, it was cause they could stop stealing.  thaTand the fact that they were to high off skunk to care what was happening to the world



Uuuhm...:confused: I hope to hell you were only joking cause that kind of talk really pisses the **** out of me. So before this thread gets closed for stupid flaming, I suggest we cool down on the whole Blacks in Zion and talk about something else Matrix related.
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Actually, I think an0n hit it on the nose. As for Neg :wtf:
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It feels like the first movie's ending was a better conclusion to the whole story. It left everything else implicit.

 

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Eh, we can point out how badly stupid white men have ****ed things up throughout history, let the redneck go off about blacks if he wants.

After all, who really gives a **** what he says? "I'll say, did you know that the disenfranchised poor sometimes steal things? That a people enslaved, brutalized, and forced into the ghetto have a high incidence of drug crime? Well I never! Jolly-oh, it's best the police-men are about to keep them in place! Forty-one for me, good sir!"

Why give him the respect he hasn't earned? Get pissed off when he actually has a relevant, coherent idea that's insulting to you or goes against your deeply-held beliefs, not when he's strutting around in a white sheet being a troll.

 

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Why give him the respect he hasn't earned? Get pissed off when he actually has a relevant, coherent idea that's insulting to you or goes against your deeply-held beliefs, not when he's strutting around in a white sheet being a troll.


Well, I can see that you don't seem to understand my point. So I'll let it go. I just want this good thread to discuss more on the matrix and not other peoples oppinions on race. :doubt:
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maybe you all missed my point.  i was offended b/c a forumite implied that black people such as myself are instinctive thiefs.  I thought i laid that out pretty well.

after that, i was just continuing an0ns SARCASTIC comment.  I didnt know i needed to [sarcastic][/sarcastic]  everything.  And I know when to keep my mouth shut when I have somerhing to say that is OBVIOUSLY very ****in offensive, I keep it to myself.

That being said, matrix reloaded sucked compared to the first one.

 

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after that, i was just continuing an0ns SARCASTIC comment

There are so many things wrong with this...

 

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matrix reloaded sucked .


Must resist! Just...must resist the urge....

ARE YOU FREAKIN' OUT OF YOUR MIND YA MANIAC!!!!!!!!!11


No seriously are you? The movie was awesome. Great action, great effects, awesome story line. I enjoyed every single second of the movie. OK so let's hear it. What sucked in the movie? You better have something good.
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http://www.moviemistakes.com/

Aside from the obvious goal of the site, they have (ATM) a good, balanced review on TMR on the front page. Since I can't find any archive of past movie reviews, I think I'll quote the whole thing for future consumption, lest the review on the front page disappear:

[q]The Matrix Reloaded review

Just been to see it (finally out here in the UK), and ohohoho... Never have I come so close to standing up and applauding during a film. A perfect combination of live action and CGI, great background info about the Matrix's history... I can't find the right words. Suffice to say, go and see it now. Right now. I mean actually right now - close the browser and get to a cinema. Ignore any negative reviews (although the negative ones are getting more attention than the positive ones, which are vastly in the majority) - it's on a different plane to the original, so you can't compare accurately. The first one was a landmark, so of course Reloaded won't be covering entirely new territory, because, well, it's not new territory, and it's stupid to expect it to.

What Reloaded does is exactly what a sequel/continuation should do, which is add to the story, open new paths, and yes, blow away previous effects completely, and it manages this perfectly. One critic wrote something along the lines of "the action bogs down horribly between set-pieces", which to me just shows that they were being very narrow-minded in their expectations. Nothing gets bogged down - there's just a lot of this lost art called "plot", which too many action films have forgotten about, and have suffered because of it. Likewise the philosophising - a few people have said that there's far too much intellectual posturing, which is just blatantly untrue. Aside from the meeting with the Frenchman, which concentrates a lot on the significance of choice (and which proves entirely relevant later on), there's nothing remotely mood-killing about the dialogue.

Sorry - this semi-rant was prompted by reading about Laurence Fishburne's negative reaction when asked his opinion of the negative reviews. Mr. Fishburne, I entirely agree. Anything people don't like about this film seems to be largely based on their expectations or lack of understanding, rather than the film's own merits. Expecting more action or less plot, and disappointed? That's your problem, not the film's. Complaining that it starts too slowly? Again, adjust your expectations. It does start relatively slowly, but that's the nature of the plot - writing in a big action scene before we really know what's going on would be far too forced. Likewise the ending - it's been made very clear that the Matrix "trilogy" is more one normal length film and one very long film in two parts than a traditional trilogy, but still some people seem to think that the way it ends is somehow "wrong".

I'm stupidly concentrating on countering the negatives, rather than praising the positives, of which there are many (many, many, many). Even aside from the fight sequences, the visuals are stunning - CGI done properly, rather than looking like a cartoon. All the actors are, of course, top notch, and it's surprisingly funny in places, which the original wasn't, really. All the other amazing achievements, though, pale into insignificance compared to the ridiculous complexity of the fight/action scenes. I sincerely hope no-one even attempts to mimic them, because they're going to fail miserably, and embarrass themselves in the process. The thing which really stood out was that either due to the training, the budget, the CGI, or all four, there was a blessed lack of frequent cutting during the fights - a mark of great direction, but also of putting enough effort into them so that complicated moves could be executed within one shot.

One which sticks in my mind is the fight in the chateau entrance hall - four people cartwheeling/somersaulting/jumping across and around the room, in one wide shot. CGI or real life? Doesn't matter, because it was absolutely stunning regardless. If it was CGI, it was so well done that you couldn't tell, and if it was live action, the co-ordination needed to get four actors positioned properly on wires deserves some kind of special award. The car chase again shows just how much effort went in to making it look right. As far as I could tell, the vast majority, if not all, of the car crashes were real cars really crashing, and they looked GREAT. And as for the "Burly Brawl" - words can't begin to do it justice.

Right, I'm going to try and calm down now. Suffice to say that negative reviewers don't know what they're talking about - it's deep without being impenetrable, perfectly paced, takes the original and expands on it in every conceivable direction (and even a few inconceivable ones), and takes your eyes through such a visual feast that if your pulse isn't racing by the end, you're probably dead.[/q]
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Yeah, I guess I can agree with that. I watched it again and enjoyed it even more. So it really is a movie that requires to digest it and think about it, which I love.

And NegspectahDek, whoops... My bad... :o
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for one, thats taken out of context, i said it sucked in comparison.  That in no way means I didnt like it.  Personally, I think the first one could have stood by itself.

I didnt like the cg fight scenes, specifically when neo fights all of the agent smiths and he jumps in the air and the camera pans, i just think they could have left it out.  that and the orgy.  AND ROY JONES JR WITH SPEAKING LINES.  more than one of them.  i think my biggest gripe is that there was no equivalent of the lobby scene.  the only thing that came close was the highway scene.  Morpheus with the sword was the coolest thing in that movie, bar none.  Ithink my gripe was that there were no bone shaking, mind jarringly violent scenes.  like the last hour of the two towers.


the third movie has some big shoes to fill to keep the trilogy from being a big letdown

 

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http://www.moviemistakes.com/

Aside from the obvious goal of the site, they have (ATM) a good, balanced review on TMR on the front page. Since I can't find any archive of past movie reviews, I think I'll quote the whole thing for future consumption, lest the review on the front page disappear:

[q]The Matrix Reloaded review

Just been to see it (finally out here in the UK), and ohohoho... Never have I come so close to standing up and applauding during a film. A perfect combination of live action and CGI, great background info about the Matrix's history... I can't find the right words. Suffice to say, go and see it now. Right now. I mean actually right now - close the browser and get to a cinema. Ignore any negative reviews (although the negative ones are getting more attention than the positive ones, which are vastly in the majority) - it's on a different plane to the original, so you can't compare accurately. The first one was a landmark, so of course Reloaded won't be covering entirely new territory, because, well, it's not new territory, and it's stupid to expect it to.

What Reloaded does is exactly what a sequel/continuation should do, which is add to the story, open new paths, and yes, blow away previous effects completely, and it manages this perfectly. One critic wrote something along the lines of "the action bogs down horribly between set-pieces", which to me just shows that they were being very narrow-minded in their expectations. Nothing gets bogged down - there's just a lot of this lost art called "plot", which too many action films have forgotten about, and have suffered because of it. Likewise the philosophising - a few people have said that there's far too much intellectual posturing, which is just blatantly untrue. Aside from the meeting with the Frenchman, which concentrates a lot on the significance of choice (and which proves entirely relevant later on), there's nothing remotely mood-killing about the dialogue.

Sorry - this semi-rant was prompted by reading about Laurence Fishburne's negative reaction when asked his opinion of the negative reviews. Mr. Fishburne, I entirely agree. Anything people don't like about this film seems to be largely based on their expectations or lack of understanding, rather than the film's own merits. Expecting more action or less plot, and disappointed? That's your problem, not the film's. Complaining that it starts too slowly? Again, adjust your expectations. It does start relatively slowly, but that's the nature of the plot - writing in a big action scene before we really know what's going on would be far too forced. Likewise the ending - it's been made very clear that the Matrix "trilogy" is more one normal length film and one very long film in two parts than a traditional trilogy, but still some people seem to think that the way it ends is somehow "wrong".

I'm stupidly concentrating on countering the negatives, rather than praising the positives, of which there are many (many, many, many). Even aside from the fight sequences, the visuals are stunning - CGI done properly, rather than looking like a cartoon. All the actors are, of course, top notch, and it's surprisingly funny in places, which the original wasn't, really. All the other amazing achievements, though, pale into insignificance compared to the ridiculous complexity of the fight/action scenes. I sincerely hope no-one even attempts to mimic them, because they're going to fail miserably, and embarrass themselves in the process. The thing which really stood out was that either due to the training, the budget, the CGI, or all four, there was a blessed lack of frequent cutting during the fights - a mark of great direction, but also of putting enough effort into them so that complicated moves could be executed within one shot.

One which sticks in my mind is the fight in the chateau entrance hall - four people cartwheeling/somersaulting/jumping across and around the room, in one wide shot. CGI or real life? Doesn't matter, because it was absolutely stunning regardless. If it was CGI, it was so well done that you couldn't tell, and if it was live action, the co-ordination needed to get four actors positioned properly on wires deserves some kind of special award. The car chase again shows just how much effort went in to making it look right. As far as I could tell, the vast majority, if not all, of the car crashes were real cars really crashing, and they looked GREAT. And as for the "Burly Brawl" - words can't begin to do it justice.

Right, I'm going to try and calm down now. Suffice to say that negative reviewers don't know what they're talking about - it's deep without being impenetrable, perfectly paced, takes the original and expands on it in every conceivable direction (and even a few inconceivable ones), and takes your eyes through such a visual feast that if your pulse isn't racing by the end, you're probably dead.[/q]


:yes: :yes: :yes:

Agree on all points. In fact, on that note, I'm going to go see the damn thing again. :)
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Personally, I think the first one could have stood by itself.

Er... yes. That was the idea. In case it sucked. In the same way that New Hope could have stood by itself... but then we've already said that several times :nod:


But I have to say, I don't reacall an orgy...
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The part right after Morpheus speaks to Zion... you know, when the pr0no music kicks in.
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Oh, I thought that was just a load of people dancing. Pretty close n' personal, but apart from a see-through top on some tit-less wonder, I'd hardly call it an orgy

 

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Oh, I thought that was just a load of people dancing. Pretty close n' personal, but apart from a see-through top on some tit-less wonder, I'd hardly call it an orgy


Yes but the rest of the people on this thread who thought it was are probably not getting it much. They see a nipple and the mind begins to wander :D
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Mmmmm... Niipples...

If there WOULD have been an orgy that would have rocked in my oppinion! It would make sence too, cause iminent death is ahead, and after Morpheus' big speech of "After a hundred years, we are still here!!", they would get the idea to propagate the species, therefore get all the women pregnant, so that chances are if some of them survive the attack, they'll be able to grow the city anew...

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another thought

neo stopping the sentinals at the end.  you think that might have something to do with the exchange of code b/w him and Agent Smith, who by the way, is the coolest character in the series

 

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another thought

neo stopping the sentinals at the end.  you think that might have something to do with the exchange of code b/w him and Agent Smith, who by the way, is the coolest character in the series


Exchange of code? No. Remember, the Matrixx is not the same as the machines in their world/system. The Matrix is a construct into which humans are plugged to keep their minds sane while their bodies run on in the real world. The machines, for the most part, probably never venture into the matrix at all themselves- just the programs (agents) they create.

Therefore, any exchange of code enabling Neo to affect things outside the Matrix would be like you being able to fly after you upgrade your home PC to a P4-3Ghz. :p
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AAh, but wait! Neo himself has metallic plugs and god knows what other wiring inside him! So perhaps he's able to expel an EMP of sorts of his own. Since he's become the one, he's also managed to control his body's electrical systems. Like restarting his heart, and restarting Trinitys! So, after saving Trinity, he must have somehow enlightened himself even more until he became sensitive to electrical fields. So now that he can control his own electrical energy, the plugs were a sort of out put for it. And then by creating the emp pulse, he literarely drained himself of energy thus falling into a coma!!!

:eek: *head explodes... again.*
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