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Offline Kamikaze

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As I'm going into High School soon I was interested in what kind of math you all took in your HS years, I'm taking some "advanced algebra" course (hopefully) but I have no idea what that's supposed to be (I was thinking it might be linear algebra with matrices and vector spaces but that seems too advanced). Also I was going to study ahead so maybe I can just get into the analysis class with a placement test :p

Also did any others of you think basic Euclidean Geometry as a total bore? :p
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:wtf: how old are you?
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
:wtf: how old are you?


e^9! and a half, duh :rolleyes:

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You go to high-school at 13, get to choose the math you take?

oh, the weirdness of the American school system.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
You go to high-school at 13, get to choose the math you take?

oh, the weirdness of the American school system.


hmm...well sorta...

if you did good in math  in middle school often times you were bumped up to the next level of math, i.e. instead of taking 8th grade math you'd take intro to algebra instead.

Now that being said, there are basically 3 variants on the math courses...retarded, normal, and advanced. So yes, if you're ahead of the game in 8th grade (in algebra or geometry), you can take the next level math in 9th grade, and pick one of the flavors I was typing about earlier.

On reflection, it is rather weird, isn't it?
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wait a minute.... from what grade does High-school begin?
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wait a minute.... from what grade does High-school begin?


9th.
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I'm taking 10th grade math in my 9th grade year (hopefully, I have to pass this test coming up).

Can anyone help me with these problems?

5x^2+2x-1=0


-c^2=3c-3

y=-14x^2-(5/9)x+2


Please?

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Originally posted by Unknown Target
I'm taking 10th grade math in my 9th grade year (hopefully, I have to pass this test coming up).

Can anyone help me with these problems?

5x^2+2x-1=0


-c^2=3c-3

y=-14x^2-(5/9)x+2


Please?

Pretty, pretty, pretty please?

Erm.... where's the problem? First equation is the second simplest form of square function

x=(-b�}�ãb^2-4ac)/2a

Where a is the number before x^2, b is number before x, and c is the free number, or whatever you call it in english.

Same thing for b and c. get the equation into a ax^2+bx+c=0 state, and use the the thingy above.  

Back to the the school system... odd certainly. At what age do you go to school. I mean, i'm about to enter high-school (10th grade here), and I'm 15. But I skipped 1st grade, meaning most of my classmates are 16, one or two even 17.
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oh boy! I love it when you guys have problems I know how to do! :D
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Offline Grey Wolf

Isn't that just a derivative of the quadratic equation?
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I'm taking 10th grade math in my 9th grade year (hopefully, I have to pass this test coming up).

Can anyone help me with these problems?

Use the Quadratic formula to solve the equation
1) 5x^2+2x-1=0

2) -c^2=3c-3

Tell whether it opens up or down, find axis of symetry+graph
y=-14x^2-(5/9)x+2


Please?

Pretty, pretty, pretty please?


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To solve quadratic equations you need to know the solution formula.
Arrange the equation like this
a,b,c are parameters for your equations.
a*x^2+b*x+c=0 - Pull out a
a*(x^2+(b/a)*x+(c/a))=0

Convert the x^2+(b/a)*x to a complete square:

(x^2+(b/a)*x+(b^2/4a^2))=(x+b/2a)^2

So x^2+(b/a)*x can be turned into the line above like this:

(x^2+(b/a)*x+(b/2a)^2) - (b/2a)^2

so it's gona be:

(x+(b/a))^2 - (b/2a)^2
(x+(b/a))^2- (b^2/4a^2)

I hope you understand what (a+b)^2 is :D

Let's put that back into the original equation:

a*[(x+(b/a))^2 - (b^2/4a^2) + (c/a)] = 0

-(b^2/4a^2)+(c/a) can be simplified:

-[(b^2-4ac)/4a^2]


Put that back into the original:

a*[(x+(b/2a))^2 - ((b^2-4ac)/4a^2)] = 0

If (b^2-4ac)<0 then we multply a positive number with a so the result can't be 0.

So (b^2-4ac)>=0 is the only case when there can be a solution to the equation.
This is also called as the second degree equation's discriminant - this determines how many solutions the equation has.

If (b^2-4ac) is bigger than 0 we can have its square root:

a*[x^2-SQR{(b^2-4ac)}/2a]

What's nice about this?
It corresponds with the a^2-b^2=(a+b)*(a-b) formula:

a*[x+(b/2a)+SQR{b^2-4ac}/2a]*[x+(b/2a)-SQR{b^2-4ac}/2a]

The result will be 0 if either of the parts are equal to 0 since its a multyplication.
a can't be 0 since then it would be a first degree equation.

So we have 2 solutions:

x1+b/2a+SQR{b^2-4ac}/2a=0

and

x2+b/2a-SQR{b^2-4ac}/2a=0

So x would be:

x1=(-b+SQR{b^2-4ac})/2a

x2=(-b-SQR{b^2-4ac})/2a
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okay, number three:

Very simple. If the x^2 is positive, the graph opens up, if negative then down. My part please.
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Offline Stunaep

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expanding on that:

Tell whether it opens up or down, find axis of symetry+graph
y=-14x^2-(5/9)x+2

1: Tell whether it opens up or down.

Since the square member, in this case -14x^2 is a negative value (remember, whether x is positive or negative doesn't matter, because no square can be negative), then the parabole will open down.

2. Graph: Replace x with random numbers, usually -3 to 3, calculate Y accordingly, make graph.

3.Axis of symmetry: +2. Because the free member is +2. Because a +2 always added to the equation, It doesn't depend on the value of X. So when X is 0. Y will still be 2. Or in other words, the axis of symmetry.
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Originally posted by Flaser
To solve quadratic equations you need to know the solution formula.


You know, I really need to get on ICQ with you math-knowing people. I'd love to learn the english terminology for maths.
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Offline Anaz

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Originally posted by Unknown Target


Srry, forgot what to say to do.

Srry if these are really stupid, but first person to answer gets a part in the next section of the HLP movie :D


even if you're already dead? :D

*puzzles with #2*

EDIT: Duh...feel stupid now...

-c^2 = 3c - 3
0 = c^2 + 3c - 3

and this corresponds to the ax^2+bx+c, solve as per flaser's instructions :D

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