[Grey Wolf]

I've beem reading some of the reviews of the Alphas here. What confuses me is it appears that it will actually be a competent OS.  This is really quite strange, considering what happens when MS introduces a completely new branch of Windows (Windows 1.0, Windows 95)....

[01010]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I've beem reading some of the reviews of the Alphas here. What confuses me is it appears that it will actually be a competent OS.  This is really quite strange, considering what happens when MS introduces a completely new branch of Windows (Windows 1.0, Windows 95)....

MS hasn't inserted all the "fuck things up" code yet though. They have until 2005 to correct that.

[CP5670]

what are the key features and differences from XP in this?

[kasperl]

well, a after this many tries, they really should've succeeded at least once.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by CP5670
what are the key features and differences from XP in this?

More spyware. And hardware-entrenched spyware from what I hear..

[Thor]

How can they put in Hardware Intrenched spyware?  That would require hardcoding it into the actual Hardware, wouldn't it?  Please explain?

[Bobboau]

I forget exactly how it's supost to work but it is something like the procsesor and hdds will call up a MS data base and send in whatever you are doing and ask if you are alowed todo this before alowing the comands to be procesed, in order to make sure you aren't running any "dangerus" or "illigal" software (ie unix, linux, real player, not-ms office, netscape, ect...)

[Unknown Target]

**** that. I am sticking with XP, I ain't want no spyware on my PC.

[Grey Wolf]

Hmm... Very interesting. According to Microsoft's own website, Palladium (which is what they were talking about) comes disabled by default, and apparently is isolated from the Digital Rights Management setup, which would be what woul most likely block you from using burned CDs and the like.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp

[CP5670]

ah well, I bet there will be cracked versions with this security stuff disabled floating around the internet months before its public release.

[Unknown Target]

...and you believe Mega****?

[Grey Wolf]

Nah, I'm just overly optimistic.

[Rictor]

1: You think Windows XP is spyware free? I'm sticking with my good old 98

2: I doubt there will be an easy way to disable it, since its hardware based, and hardware can override software commands. Maybe some soldering and stuff ought to do it, but honestly how many people will go through the trouble? I'm not worried about me, I'll be one of the few people who tries to disable it. I'm talking about the millions, the majority of people, who dont even know it exists, much less how to disable it.

3: When Microsoft says: "Dont worry, we would never do anything to spy on/control/disable modification to you computer" I tend not to believe them.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid

[mikhael]

Originally posted by kasperl
well, a after this many tries, they really should've succeeded at least once.

They did. It was called Windows2000. Best OS Microsoft ever put out.

[LtNarol]

Originally posted by mikhael
Best OS Microsoft ever put out.

No, that'd be DOS

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Rictor
1: You think Windows XP is spyware free? I'm sticking with my good old 98

2: I doubt there will be an easy way to disable it, since its hardware based, and hardware can override software commands. Maybe some soldering and stuff ought to do it, but honestly how many people will go through the trouble? I'm not worried about me, I'll be one of the few people who tries to disable it. I'm talking about the millions, the majority of people, who dont even know it exists, much less how to disable it.

3: When Microsoft says: "Dont worry, we would never do anything to spy on/control/disable modification to you computer" I tend not to believe them.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid

You are being paraonoid but I share your paranoia.  I do nothing on my machine that would warrant anyone to need to gather information against me but I still absoutely hate the fact that they can do it...and nobody has challenged them properly in court.

However...I have hope that in the grand scheme of things balance will be restored.  Technologies have a habit of turning back on their creators or those who think they have the control soon find they have less than they supposed.

If that senator ever has his way with the auto destructing computers...he'd better keep his computer a 386 hidden in a closet somewhere...someone would destroy his computer in a hacking contest.  The people who use surveliance technologies on citizens have found that citizens are using the same technology to defeat them (Wired article I was reading).  RIAA sues individuals trading music online...online music trading goes up 10%.

Someday, I hope that some of this will work out in the end.  Microsoft will get what it deserves for cheating everyone out of better competition, music artists will get paid properly for their music (iTunes gives me hope), an increasingly electronic world will end up to preserve the balance of public good and personal privacy.

I hope so...Longhorn looks good, but Microsofts tactics and so called security features are heading into turbulent territory.  I hope they think twice about it...

[Admiral LSD]

I really want to get a look at this, when it goes into public beta release I'll be beating a path to the MS site to join up. XP is the best thing MS ever released (2000 was just an alpha build that was accidentally released as a full version) and I'm really interested in seeing if they can top it with Longhorn. Plus, there are a couple of features (like the new GUI and SQL-based filesystem) that demand a closer look.

[JC Denton]

LSD, I'm pretty sure that, while they'll add quite a few functional features to the GUI, it's going to be an even more massive waste of system resources than WinXP's due to the fact that they intend to use 3d hardware acceleration (DirectDraw, most likely) to render it.

[Admiral LSD]

Direct3D 9, actually. And I still want to get a look at it. I don't care how many resources it uses so long as it looks good (and from the Alpha screenshots I've seen, it does). The Win2k look everyone has a hard on for may use **** all system resources but it looks like **** which is why I keep Luna enabled on all my XP systems.

[Turnsky]

the taskbar seems a helluva lot cleaner(and better looking) than Xp's.. and i see that they've dropped the 'green jellybean' start button:nod: