[Corsair114]

Polycount on the newest version is a total of 290 polygons.

Ok, I think I'm gonna try my hand at texturing it now. Wish me a bit of luck and a lot Ibuprofen.

[EdwinDLT]

That ship looks massive, 1/4 the size of a fenris massive, from a gaming point of view, a squad of four of these could probably give a Sathanas some trouble...

I'm not complaining like.

[diamondgeezer]

Yes, unfortunately (IMO) people seem to think that bombers ought to be as big as possible. I can't see the fascination myself, but then it takes all sorts to make the intarweb work.

I do think the cockpit wants to be resized, though.  You guys do realise that if the Volition ships were redone with more realistically sized cockpits, they'd look daft - right? It's the same as the physics, asthetics come before realism

[Corsair114]

I'll try and make the cockpit "bigger" (whatever the Hell that means). It's not like it's out of proportion to the Boanerges, though. All we see for the cockpit of the Boanerges is a little slit for a window looking forward at the top of the anti-glare stripe on the nose.

Unless someone can show me what they're talkin' about, then I'm at a loss

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]New version = three thumbs up
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[Raptor]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yes, unfortunately (IMO) people seem to think that bombers ought to be as big as possible. I can't see the fascination myself, but then it takes all sorts to make the intarweb work.

bigger bombers can have more torpedos, more guns, more turrets, more shielding and armour.  Just a thought.

I do think the cockpit wants to be resized, though.  You guys do realise that if the Volition ships were redone with more realistically sized cockpits, they'd look daft - right? It's the same as the physics, asthetics come before realism

How so? Of course, the weapon sizes would be reduced too compensate, so thats not a problem....

[Nico]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I do think the cockpit wants to be resized, though.  You guys do realise that if the Volition ships were redone with more realistically sized cockpits, they'd look daft - right? It's the same as the physics, asthetics come before realism

I never said to resize the cockpits, I said to resize the ships themselves
all my OTT ships were scaled around the cockpit ( which often resulted with larger fighters than the FS2 ones. FS2 fighters are like WW2 fighters size-wise, OTT ones are like today's fighters ).

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Venom

I never said to resize the cockpits, I said to resize the ships themselves
all my OTT ships were scaled around the cockpit ( which often resulted with larger fighters than the FS2 ones. FS2 fighters are like WW2 fighters size-wise, OTT ones are like today's fighters ).

That's what I meant, but I thought that if FS2 craft were resized as such, then they would be much smaller.

[diamondgeezer]

I'm making my S:AAB ships as big as the canon measurements... but they all seem far to small. I'm seriously considering embigenning them all by, say, 50%, perhaps more for the big ships.

With Volition's fighters and bombers, the cockpits are out of proportion - look a twenty meter long fighter, and its cockpit is far bigger than any one human would need. This is an accepted part of V's models. Like I said, V went for looks over realism

As for the huge bombers thing, it's the same as making these enormous juggernauts - it justs get silly after a while. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the GTVA would never build a bomber the size of a Fenris, but it seems to me that when people set out to build a bomber they often think that the size of the thing is the overriding factor...

[Anaz]

We should have ww2-esqe bombers....3x - 6x the size of fighters, and covered with turrets

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Analazon
We should have ww2-esqe bombers....3x - 6x the size of fighters, and covered with turrets

I 2nd that.

Only thing is, cruisers would need to be bigger, or fighters much smaller.

How big are todays fighters, in metres?

[diamondgeezer]

Well a fighter is probably somwhere between 45 and 60 feet, I'll leave you to convert that. The Tornado is quite a big one at 55 feet, but the new MiG 1-42 is 74 feet long, and that's generally considered to be huge.

Anyway, yes, I'd love to see bombers acting more like their WW counterparts. I mean, after all, FS is suposed to feel more like a WW dogfighter than a Newtonian space simulator, so V should have gone ahead and made bombers dangerous for a fighter to attack. One mistake and you're caught in the sights of a machine gunner. This is why I like the idea of big bombers like the Ursa having more crew than just the pilot - you want a bombadier, a navigator, a radio man and of course several turret gunners

[Raptor]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Well a fighter is probably somwhere between 45 and 60 feet, I'll leave you to convert that. The Tornado is quite a big one at 55 feet, but the new MiG 1-42 is 74 feet long, and that's generally considered to be huge.

Wait, I've got figures for converting feet into metres here....

45-60 feet -> 13.716m - 18.288m

Tornado at 55 feet -> 16.764m long

Mig 1-42 at 74 feet -> 22.5552m long

So compared to modern fighters, FS2 craft are not too bad, EXCEPT for the cockpits.

Maybe we should compare them to WW2 fighters instead....

[Woolie Wool]

WW2 fighters are around 10-15 meters long. A Dragon would be the size of a typical World War II fighter.

[EdwinDLT]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer

This is why I like the idea of big bombers like the Ursa having more crew than just the pilot - you want a bombadier, a navigator, a radio man and of course several turret gunners

Why not just have a cyclops firing leviathan?

[Woolie Wool]

We're talking airliner size, not aircraft carrier size.

[Corsair114]

These textures are giving me a headache... well, I've made a few changes to the model. Namely fixed a lot of polygons that were outta place and made it look less like a lego toy. Current poly count is up to 335.



So far such a headache... well, anyways, the textures are slowly getting there. I might redo them, depending on how many complaints I get on their colors. As for now... my brain hurts. Buh-bye.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00] The colours are great, I always thought that grey was a bit boring in the artform that is the game.
What program are you using to draw the textures?
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[TopAce]

Originally posted by Corsair114
These textures are giving me a headache...

That's why doctors and medicines their are

[Corsair114]

I'm using Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7 and doing them mainly by hand with the Spray Can... err, airbrush. FSDS allows you to export .bmp textures of a given side, so you know where you're painting.

Also: Changed the rear turret from the beam to a Morning Star... tailgating is dangerous still, but you don't have to worry about the bombers wipeing out an entire wing of fighters on there own like if they had rear-firing Harps. It also achieves the same effect but to a better degree as the beam that had been there: Bounce the offending fighter around like a ping-pong ball.

Off to texture...