[Bobboau]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92591,00.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/22/sprj.irq.main/index.html

next best thing to caching Sadam, the fact that the arab news is also reporting this is a good sign that it's true,
interestingly Mosul is were Al Jazera has been saying Sadam was from day one.

Bush has just earned another six weeks of suport from me

[Nico]

why? I doubt Bush was there

[Bobboau]

becase were getting some results for a change, granted this isn't like finding the weapons but it's a good thing, it's enough to keep me happy for 4-6 weeks, then I will expect some more results to have been made,something on par wiith ether Sadam or the weapons being found (the latter of wich is seeming ever more unlikely)

[diamondgeezer]

Now all I have to do is claim my bounty

[Admiral LSD]

Sorry, but this doesn't make me feel the war was any more right and that was Bush was any less wrong to go charging in. The only thing that will do that is when they find the weapons they went in looking for. Until then, the war is a sham.

[diamondgeezer]

I love asking people this: Admiral, do you think Iraq was better off under Saddam?

[CP5670]

I heard about this as well. It really does not matter anymore though, since even if these two were still at large they couldn't do much with their old infrastructure gone; their deaths are good for public morale, but that's about it.

Sorry, but this doesn't make me feel the war was any more right and that was Bush was any less wrong to go charging in. The only thing that will do that is when they find the weapons they went in looking for. Until then, the war is a sham.

um, there is no such thing as a "right war" or a "wrong war."

[Knight Templar]

Admiral: Finding these guys weren't supposed to make you feel the war is more right or wrong, but either way, it's another step in the right direction, at least the direction we're already going.

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I love asking people this: Admiral, do you think Iraq was better off under Saddam?

Of course not but we must not lose sight of the fact that the people who installed him and armed him to the extent that he was unstoppable because he was both anti-religious and anti-communist (who were the main contenders to the nationalist Ba'athists) are now the ones shouting loudest about the virtues of Invasion induced Freedom. Not to mention the fact that Iraq's natural resources are formidable in quantity and quality (even the main think tanks with connections to the Bush administration drop heavy hints that this was a reason for Iraq being invaded). This is why any right wing politician, who masquerades as a passionate philanthropist and liberator of the downtrodden, must have his sincerity treated with the kind of skepticism that would make James "The Amazing' Randi look gullible.

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by CP5670
um, there is no such thing as a "right war" or a "wrong war."

No, but there's such thing as the thruth and a lie, which in the big platonic world of perfection (being into maths you're likely to be a platonist) must be rather sinful.

[Falcon X]

I was listening to something on the news, and something caught my ear.  The WMD report will not be released for 6 monthes.  They have not been releasing any of their findings to any of the media.  The media has been getting info from the military units, not the inspection team.

6 monthes... I wonder could this be a political move by Bush?  Draw in your oponnents then crush them?  It is possible.

[CP5670]

No, but there's such thing as the thruth and a lie, which in the big platonic world of perfection (being into maths you're likely to be a platonist) must be rather sinful.

A lie is not the same thing as a falsehood; not sure what all that has to do with the bit you quoted, as politics is all about lying effectively.

Not to mention the fact that Iraq's natural resources are formidable in quantity and quality

I think you need to read the last Iraq thread ("one word") to see why the theory of Shivans invading Sol for its beer supply holds together better than this. And in any case, even if what you saying was true, we would be the ones getting extra stuff, so what is there to complain about? (and yes, if the corporations benefit in these cases, so do the rest of us)

[Rictor]

I just can't agree with the fact that people judge a politican on victory/loss.  For example, the fact that pro-war people are starting to dislike Bush for the number of American casualties. Those are the same people who once were totally for the war. So its not even a moral basis, but simply how easy the war/post war is. If you agree with something, you should stick to it, regardless of difficulty. If you are pro-war then stay pro-war, even if it gets hard. Same thing with the American soldiers...now they want to go home, back to the ranch. The heat is upsetting them. If they think they are there to protect American freedoms, how can you turn back on something like that just cause it gets difficult.

I'm against Bush, but I simply can't comprehend how pro-Bush people would guage their support of him based on finding/not finding Saddam & Sons. The WMD are a much more relevant  issue.

[ZylonBane]

Dang, I'm gonna miss these guys. They were great on Letterman.

[Stryke 9]

They were both idiotic thugs from what I heard, so it's not entirely a surprise, but still finally Bush doesn't look like a total fool.

DG. that's a fatuous question and you know it. Are you for minimizing birth defects and congenital illnesses? Do you want the lower taxes that would accompany a reduced need for national health care, and a more effective health care service?
Well then, you must think it's okay to round up and gas all cripples, you sick ****!;)

This is like when anyone who protested the war in Vietnam automatically got called a commie seditionist. You right-wingers never learn.

[diamondgeezer]

I know those words, but that post just makes my brain melt. As for being right-wing, see my comment about running over hippies.

[Rictor]

Stryke: You're left wing? Coulda fooled me.

________

Just a great quote I found. These guys discretid themselves far better than I could ever hope to:D

"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq,"

Paul Wolfowitz-Deputy Defense Secretary of the United States

[Stryke 9]

...


...No. I can't. It's just too easy.

[diamondgeezer]

[Grey Wolf]

Doesn't seem like much from a strategic standpoint, but from a morale standpoint, it buoys the Army and other armed forces and hurts the extremists who are still taking shots at soldiers.

Still was a stupid idea to go to war, though.