[deep_eyes]

I might be late on this with most of you, but i finally got around to reading about this.

http://www.apple.com/g5processor/

any thoughts?


(all i can say is they did it-former enemies... )

[Solatar]

I want one:D

[Kamikaze]

Those benchmarks are very controversial, many say they cheated on those. *goes to dig up a link to some research*

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/28/1346251&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=181

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

http://members.cox.net/craig.hunter/g5/

[Stryke 9]

They always do. All manufacturers do, really, but Apple fudges more than most.

I've never seen a Mac that was any faster than a well-made contemporary PC to any degree at all, and yet every time it's "FIVE TIMES FASTER!! EIGHT TIMES FASTER!! TWELVE BILLION TIMES FASTER!!1!111"

[Zeronet]

They aren't that good really.

[Kamikaze]

That's prolly 'cause of all those rabid mac fanboys (not that the PC doesn't have fanboys, but they seem less rabid) with their raving "M4C IS B3TT4R" things.  

[Drew]

oh i guess macs are gonna have bragging rights for the rest of the century as fastest chipsets and the fastets ram (but when isnormal mac usr [who thinks macs dont need extra ram cuz theyr just so good in every aspect] actually gonna buy\need 8 gbs of ram?


so it has the fastes processer (wich isnt a big deal anymore) and huge rams.... so that makes them good for maybe 3d modeling and the like...
but mac softwere is still limited in mostly evry aspect......
eg. the first time i used a mac i opened up its word proscesser and it crashed .....(no kidding)

oh and i havnt met 1 mac usr yet that can beat a me in quake\ UT etc (they have 1 button mice for goodness sake)

[Carl]

well hot piss! and look! it's all siver! that meens its betar!

apple should just give up now before they humilate themselves.

[Stryke 9]

Eh, they're good at what they do. Which happens to be nothing that appeals to a serious computer user. Keep in mind that probably about 90% of computer owners only use 'em for word processing, browsing, and nowadays maybe cropping digital snapshots of their cat.

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Carl
well hot piss! and look! it's all siver! that meens its betar!

apple should just give up now before they humilate themselves.

i know you're being sarcastic, but my pc is silver;)

[deep_eyes]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Eh, they're good at what they do. Which happens to be nothing that appeals to a serious computer user. Keep in mind that probably about 90% of computer owners only use 'em for word processing, browsing, and nowadays maybe cropping digital snapshots of their cat.

im skeptical of this system as well. the benchmarks are very high, especially for only a 2ghz system. most macs arent even up there yet. its only cause of IBM that there doing things that high.

this thing with ram, might be true, but wont be fully utilized for a long time, even if its good as its said to be.

and yes my pc is silver too.

WITH GLOWS!:ick

[vyper]

Originally posted by Turnsky


i know you're being sarcastic, but my pc is silver;)

*pats Turnsky's head* Now don't take it personally.

Anyway...
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(note: since the Apple boys want to call things "PowerPC" then I should clarify by "PC" I mean non-Mac, "big-blue" PC descendent, machines)
64-bit PC chips are going to leave this thing in the dust if not now, at most in a year's time. Its more than a hardware thing - the majority of software/OS' are designed with PC hardware in mind. For offices, or for example the Health students in my Uni who type up reports, then the Mac has a market. However, it ain't going any further from now on. The PC platform just has a market edge thats unbeatable.

Also, think about how they did the comparisons on that page - a 32-bit chip(s) against thier new 64-bit chip? Gee that was a fair race. It's like putting a child on a bike up against the Joint Strike Fighter and wondering why the bike is slower.

Unfortunately for Apple, the PC's overall architecture is evolving around the same time as 64-bit processing has arrived. Updates to the PCI standard and faster memory will stand off the G5.

Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed with the IBM production methods though.

[pyro-manic]

My mum's got a Mac. 'Nuff said.

They're good for desktop publishing and the like, they're reliable, and they're uber-stylish, but they're not for me. Super-fast, though.

[Turnsky]

Not being able to right-click efficiently is a ***** tho....

[IceFire]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
My mum's got a Mac. 'Nuff said.

They're good for desktop publishing and the like, they're reliable, and they're uber-stylish, but they're not for me. Super-fast, though.

I know this is the experience of many Mac users however it has not been my experience with Macs in multimedia labs (which is what they are supposed to REALLY be good at) and at work where we use them for browsing the web for product prices and for invoicing and stuff.

In neither situation have I found a single redeeming thing about them.  They crash...they are unstable (G3s, G4s, iMacs, Towers, etc.  and OS 9, OS10, OS10.2), they randomly quit programs, they randomly decide to pause for three minutes at a time, one program locks and the whole thing is essentially unusable while the thing tries to figure itself out.  Last week the entire OS9 desktop decided to just disappear from OS10 altogether.  That was fun.

Neither Windows 98 SE nor Windows XP has ever given me nearly as much grief as these Macs do.  Maybe I'm unlucky, but the fact that there is no Ctrl-Alt-Del is highly irritating and the fact that the standard mouse has a single button is doubly annoying.  Maybe I'm used to my PC and know what to do with it and maybe all of these Macs were not in peak operating condition...but I'm no longer under the impression that they are the superior machine.  I truly and honestly believed that hype...despite my PC/IBM loyalties.

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by IceFire

I know this is the experience of many Mac users however it has not been my experience with Macs in multimedia labs (which is what they are supposed to REALLY be good at) and at work where we use them for browsing the web for product prices and for invoicing and stuff.

In neither situation have I found a single redeeming thing about them.  They crash...they are unstable (G3s, G4s, iMacs, Towers, etc.  and OS 9, OS10, OS10.2), they randomly quit programs, they randomly decide to pause for three minutes at a time, one program locks and the whole thing is essentially unusable while the thing tries to figure itself out.  Last week the entire OS9 desktop decided to just disappear from OS10 altogether.  That was fun.

Neither Windows 98 SE nor Windows XP has ever given me nearly as much grief as these Macs do.  Maybe I'm unlucky, but the fact that there is no Ctrl-Alt-Del is highly irritating and the fact that the standard mouse has a single button is doubly annoying.  Maybe I'm used to my PC and know what to do with it and maybe all of these Macs were not in peak operating condition...but I'm no longer under the impression that they are the superior machine.  I truly and honestly believed that hype...despite my PC/IBM loyalties.

i can't say much about macs, since i never used them, but i haven't had XP crash on me yet, and 98 was pretty stable considering what i put it through, i haven't caused 98 to bsod without any specific reason (in other words, i knew what i did wrong)

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]My friend had a mac with a dodgy volume control, one of the two buttons on the front would get stuck in behind the panel and the result was that the Mac wouldn't boot.

I find that pretty incredible.

Still, there's a huge market for them as long as you need something a drunk or newborn can operate.
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[CP5670]

I used macs a lot around ten years ago; games actually looked at sounded better on them at that time due to the crappy dos graphics and sound drivers, and there was a reasonable selection of software for them. At this point though, they are next to useless for gaming.

That one-button mouse in particular is simply absurd, and Apple is making complete fools of themselves by still sticking to that design all these years.

[Stryke 9]

Hrm. Now if only it were this easy to get everyone to hate on, say, specific members at once...

Anyway, yeh. Only bright spot I've seen in the whole Mac deal is Ambrosia- they're pretty cool, even if their stuff's kinda derivative. Other than that, nothin' a PC can't and hasn't done better.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Mac this and MAc that...

they've got 5% of the market: nothing to brag about.