[Taristin]

Yeah, but that takes the fun out of it...

Imagine it... A Terran vessel emerges in Beta Hydri only to be surrounded by Anubises, and possibly a Seth (Vasudan Ace? Dunno timeframe on Seth) and diplomacy begins... Or fails, however you look at it.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Solatar
There are so many Vasudan systems we have to pass through it seems we would have made contact at some point.  

There aren't really.

Delta Serpentis (definately Terran)
     |
Beta Aquilae (Now joint but definately Terran back then)
     |
Antares (Don't know about this one)
     |
Vasuda

If Antares was Terran before the world then the first contact with the Vasudans was probably in Vasuda.

[Solatar]

We could have gone the long way around through Vega and Deneb.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Solatar


There are so many Vasudan systems we have to pass through it seems we would have made contact at some point.

Although it might be a cool twist to say the the Vasudans didn't know about inter-system subspace until the Terrans got there.

yeah, but assuming we can see stars that are probably much farther away already ( capella for exemple ),  I doubt scientists "forgot" to discover vasuda.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Solatar
We could have gone the long way around through Vega and Deneb.

[TopAce]

It looks that the 'leave Vasuda' has the lead by far. I voted that, too. We all know it like Vasuda, so while playing the mod, it wouldn't be a question 'where the hell is Arturus? Ah ... a new system only used by TVWP!'

It would be evident what system the player is grinding the Vasudans .

[mikhael]

Originally posted by karajorma


Umm. That's the wrong way round. Vasuda Prime is the planet and Vasuda the star.
 

I disagree. Given that Sol is Earth's primary, our sun is Sol Prime, and the planets are Sol-I thru Sol-IX. I know that anytime I ever see something listed as "Arcturus Prime" in print, I make the assumption that they are talking about the STAR, not any given planet.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

[Goober5000]

Well, in DS9 they mentioned Cardassia Prime a lot, and I'm pretty sure they were talking about the planet.

[karajorma]

Prime is a term used for planets in B5 and Star Trek and I've seen in in several other science fiction sources.

If Sol was a binary star system then the stars would be Sol A and Sol B.

Even if you're correct (which I doubt you are) the terminology used in FS2 refers to Vasuda and Cygnus Prime as planets.

[Flipside]

Actually, there are names for pretty much every star in this galaxy now, certainly any one bright enough to bear a habitable planet. We've even named most of the stars in the Magellenic Clouds and Andromeda now

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~jaymin/chview/chv5.htm

Most stars are named using a simple catalogue system though, so having the Vasudans coming from DB-223 or I-21 might be more realistic in some ways

Finally, it should be remembered that any star more than about 80ly from Sol that is bright enough to give a specific name to is usually a giant and would be less likely to sustain life as we understand it (Now I'm a Vulcan Science officer - great)

Flipside ;D

[Nico]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Well, in DS9 they mentioned Cardassia Prime a lot, and I'm pretty sure they were talking about the planet.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
you take star trek as an exemple to prove scientific facts?
I laugh at you

[Goober5000]

Not scientific facts - nomenclature.  Or, look at Cygnus Prime in the debriefing for FS2 mission 1.

[StratComm]

Well, in the most basic sense "Prime" means "1" so generally a stellar body with "prime" in its name is either the first/central system in a multi-system inhabited area (A capitol world/system if you will) or the first planet in a solar system.  It just designates the object/place as being of heightened importance.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Not scientific facts - nomenclature.  Or, look at Cygnus Prime in the debriefing for FS2 mission 1.

basically, if it's in ST, it's wrong. that's it.

[Flipside]

That's means theres a lot of very worried astro-physicists out there, considering quite a few reknowned NASA scientists are Trekkies and are often called in to help out 'realifying' plots.
However, in the case of Prime, it doesn't so much mean '1' as 'First', I suppose that from a Terran point of View, the Star should be Vasuda Prime, since it was discovered first. However, the Vasudans had been discovering their home planet on a daily basis for millions of years, so I suppose to them, the planet would be Prime.
Also, the other meaning of the word Prime is 'Source' or 'Origin' . So, from that point of view, it still points to the Star, since it is the 'Beginning' of the system in Astronomical Terms.

Flipside

[Nico]

Originally posted by Flipside
That's means theres a lot of very worried astro-physicists out there, considering quite a few reknowned NASA scientists are Trekkies and are often called in to help out 'realifying' plots.

ah, didn't now the shuttle had interpolarized subnuclear retroconductors in superphase .

[Eishtmo]

Back in days long past (most of which you guys don't remember for various reasons) the original Freespace Universal Reference Project picked Beta Hydri for Vasuda.  I don't remember why (I think there was some reasoning for it), but ever since that has been what it is to me.

I assumed that unofficial contact with the Vasudans occured pretty quickly, probably in Antares.  The Vasudans had, for various reasons, overlooked the node to Antares (again, assumed) until about the same time Terran settlers entered the system.  Antares later became the front line of the 14 Year War.

[Flipside]

ah, didn't now the shuttle had interpolarized subnuclear retroconductors in superphase .

LOL, How else do you think they got a cup of coffee

To be honest, no, of course it didn't but if it wasn't for some people dreaming them up, scientists would say 'Hmmmm.... that could work' and Engineers wouldn't say 'Hmmmmm... I think we can make something that makes that work'.

After all, if someone hadn't dreamed of propellers, we'd still be jumping off towers with wings strapped to our arms

Flipside.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Flipside


LOL, How else do you think they got a cup of coffee

To be honest, no, of course it didn't but if it wasn't for some people dreaming them up, scientists would say 'Hmmmm.... that could work' and Engineers wouldn't say 'Hmmmmm... I think we can make something that makes that work'.

After all, if someone hadn't dreamed of propellers, we'd still be jumping off towers with wings strapped to our arms

Flipside.

well yeah, but during middle age, they thought they could turn lead into gold. and it seems the big bang theory was wrong.
scientists can dream, yeah, but dreams are usually things that won't happen in real life

[Flipside]

LOL Very true, but then, they laughed at Darwin, and at Gallileo for their 'preposterous' claims as well. Let's just say that the science of ST is 'Hollywooded up' but is usually based in current scientific thinking. The fact that current current scientific thinking is 'At first there was nothing, which exploded' is beside the point hehehehehe

Anyway, I'm doing my usual and have touched down safely on planet OffTopic, so I'll leave you all to it

Flipside