Originally posted by Woolie Wool
With the tragic death of Sergio de Mello, your post has become one of the most offensive things I have ever read. The people at that building wanted to help the Iraqi people, not protect the dictator that oppressed them. Saddam Hussein was a monster, and deserved to be stripped naked and deep-fried penis first. By throwing your support behind the monster Hussein and saying that they should "punish" Iraq's liberators is an evil, evil thing to say. You are an enemy of Iraq and of the free world. Damn you! Damn you to hell!
I'll post more later (in regards to your other post, strangely enough) but I gotta keep up with the action, or otherwise I'll fall behind..
Don't think that the UN are angels, now or in the past. I agreed with them on the Iraq issue, since they opposed the US and opposed war. But how many times in the past have they done harm? In Yugoslavia, in 1991-1993 UN "peacekeepers" made a very nice profit selling basic food items, like powdered milk and aspirin, to a poor and starving people. A people that they helped to starve, by putting sanctions on Yugoslavia. There are many more cases I'm sure, but since I know the most about Yugoslavia, my other example is also there. In 1999, NATO, with UN backing, launched a 78 bombing campaign against Serbia, which resulted in thousands (unlike in Iraq, the bodycount was never verified, but the estimates are 1-5 thousand) of civilian deaths. These bombings were in answer to a "humanitarian crisis" which was as false and as exagerated as the evidence for war in Iraq. Its just that no one really (from the international community) cared, so the fact that the evidence was false was never widely heard.
And interesting fact: UN sanctions against Iraq ( 1991-present ) have resulted in the deaths of over 500, 000 dhildren. And thats just children, not even adults.
Every bad thing you said about Saddam can be applied to Bush, Rumseld and Co. You say that the US liberated Iraq? Well, I agree, they got Saddam out. But the answer may very well turn out to be worse than the problem. Over 7000+ Iraqi civilians are dead, and the US wants to hold on to its power in Iraq despite the wishes of the Iraqi people. I am against Saddam. That does no mean I am for the US. That does not mean I am for the UN. If I saw the US truthfully trying to help Iraqis, and giving them the right to choose their own destiny, even if that destiny wants the US out of Iraq, I would support the US and UN. In this specific case, I think that the UN are right. Or atleast, more right than Saddam or the US. I don't agree with the bombing of the UN building, but I can understand why it happened. I believe that the UN is (or should be, I'm an optimist) a good organization. But they have done some very bad things in the past, and maybe I can forgive them. But I don't think they can claim to be angels when they screw the little guys (Yugoslavia for example) but let the big guys do whatever they want (US breaking international laws ect etc)
Oh and Woolie, take my advice man: ignore Anon. He's just making trouble, he doesn't believe a word of what he's saying. If you push him enough, you'll realise that he doesn't want a conversation, he just wants a flame war. Trust me, I've tried:nod:
