[magatsu1]

Has anyone got the port I need for Silent Threat on disk ?
If anyone was willing to send me a copy, I'll pay for the expense plus a few beers (or Pepsi if you're not old enough:D )
I'm stuck with a dinky modem....

Details aside, I think the into's pretty good. Especially when you see that "dead" Orion still in orbit.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
You'll note the Ganymede is also not in the main FS2 campaign anywhere, IIRC.

The Ganymede is seen in the Colossus construction cutscene, though.

[Stunaep]

also it appears in several multiplayer missions

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Akalabeth Angel
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-the beams from the Lucifer come from the wrong part of the hull.
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No, the thing wrong with that beam is that there was no beams during the Great War, hence, no beams on the Lucifer, hence, they shouldn't be in the intro.

[Woolie Wool]

THE LUCIFER DOES HAVE BEAMS. It was the first ship to have beams. Play FS1 and notice the beams (okay, they're improvised since the engine didn't support proper beams, but still...) fired by the Lucifer at the Galatea.

[Stunaep]

Exactly.

[Unknown Target]

I don't consider the Shivan Super Laser (which is still in FS2, BTW) a beam.

[Stunaep]

Let's take this logically:

FS2 states that beam weapons were reverse-engineered from the Lucifer

Lucifer has big red long beam-thingys that take down an Orion in 3 hits.

In FS2, the Lucifer has big red long beam-thingys that take down an Orion in x hits, although they come from the wrong place.

Which part of this escapes you?

[magatsu1]

going back to the original question (sorry , but hey, it's my thread  !)
Got G. E's port on my comp. and dumped the vp.file in the main FS2 directory (the old ships are now in the tech room data base etc)
does this mean I can now get the story behind the Hades ?

[hobnob1978]

Originally posted by Unknown Target


No, the thing wrong with that beam is that there was no beams during the Great War, hence, no beams on the Lucifer, hence, they shouldn't be in the intro.

I`m afraid the above is wrong.

In FS1 due to the GTVA never seeing anything like this before, they label them as Ion Flux Cannons...

But they are supposed to be beam cannons. Indeed the lovely guys doing the FSport have made thre lucifer come alive with sexy red beams in place of the rather sad flux-cannon effect.

This is how the GTVA have beam guns when the shivans pop in. The shivans have more powerful ones now (a la Sathanas) due to the huge time difference`s between the first FS1 fleet (a scouting wing, god knows how long it took for them to get to our space with no direct route) and the fleet in FS2 (fully updated fleet).

Here`s one... How can the Ursa be flying around when it wasn`t finished until near the end of the game (definitely after the Battle of Deneb)

[magatsu1]

...god knows how long it took them to get to our space with no direct route..

huh ?
wouldn't they just use jump nodes like anyone else ?
the Shivans nailed the Ancients (with an empire much bigger than GTVA space) so I doubt it was such a long journey.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by magatsu1


huh ?
wouldn't they just use jump nodes like anyone else ?
the Shivans nailed the Ancients (with an empire much bigger than GTVA space) so I doubt it was such a long journey.

They may have used jump nodes but the direct route may have been through the knossos portal that was eventually sealed.

With the knossos sealed it may be that the only way for the Shivans to get into GTVA space is to go a much longer way around (Which may explain why we didn't see them between FS1 and FS2).

[magatsu1]

but the Knossos hadn't been discovered at the time of the Great War
when you say sealed do you mean shut down ? by the Ancients ?
(I recall the GTC/NTC Trinity was sent to open it ?)
I suppose in that sense hobnob was right. It'd would also explain why the Shivans first appeared in Ross128.
Hey, that'd be a great scenario for an Ancients themed mission.
Shutting down the Knossos with a  Shivan Armarda closing in.
I'm gonna do it now !

[karajorma]

Originally posted by magatsu1
but the Knossos hadn't been discovered at the time of the Great War
when you say sealed do you mean shut down ? by the Ancients ?
(I recall the GTC/NTC Trinity was sent to open it ?)
I suppose in that sense hobnob was right. It'd would also explain why the Shivans first appeared in Ross128.
Hey, that'd be a great scenario for an Ancients themed mission.
Shutting down the Knossos with a  Shivan Armarda closing in.
I'm gonna do it now !

What I mean is that when the Shivans wiped out the ancients they probably went  by the direct route through the Knossos. Either the Shivans shut down the knossos, the ancients did it (to prevent more shivans getting through) or it shut itself down to save power.

That meant that the shivans may have had to take a longer way around to reach Ross 128.

[hobnob1978]

Originally posted by magatsu1


huh ?
wouldn't they just use jump nodes like anyone else ?
the Shivans nailed the Ancients (with an empire much bigger than GTVA space) so I doubt it was such a long journey.

We know that the ancients empire was absolutely massive. Now, if thats so then there must have been more than one Knossos in what is now GTVA space.

Before you moan that the GTVA should have found them remember, Intel discovers that Bosh used the NTF attacks to steal materials from the dig sites that enabled hm to find and activate the Knossos portal. What if those materials also contained a brief message explaining which Knossos opened into Shivan space? Bosh ignores the others as he is set on making contact with as large a shivan force as poss.

Now, with the others shut down, the Ancients empire becomes scattered and disbanded. This means that the nodes beginto collpase when the nodes become unstable due to time. The shivans remaining with the lucifer patrol the remaining ancient empire. However they could have been (and due to FS1 most likely) patrolling a distant section of space when the node that brought them there broke down.
They then have to take a huge detour route using uncharted nodes to get back. This takes hundreds of years as with no direct route it could take hundreds of thousands of jumps to get back to point a.

One simple reason for shivans wanting to stay around that area is that they were trying to open the Knossos and decided to wander around until they found a key to open it. However, since they have no interest in planets they ignored the key hidden in the remaians of the captial.


NB.... I wonder if any Ancients remain. If they knew that the shivans were coming for them and they were a distant colony world connected by one huge node jump... maybe they did what the GTVA did and closed off the node. (maybe the Knossos could work in reverse and shut a node down immediately if given the correct codes.

Ahh I`m dreaming of FS3.

PS- Hey karj, nice to read you.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by hobnob1978


We know that the ancients empire was absolutely massive. Now, if thats so then there must have been more than one Knossos in what is now GTVA space.

Hmmm. I disagree with that basic assumption. It is possible that the Delta Serpentis node and the one in the nebula were the only two ancient nodes that ever needed stabilising.

The rest of the arguement seems pretty sound though.

[FoxHound]

didn't we see knossos portals from gamma draconis in?

or is it possible that knossos portals were the only ones MAPPED by the GTVA beyond gamma draconis?

[hobnob1978]

well yes. but my suggestion is that there are other Knossos portals that used to form nodes to other areas of Ancient empire space.

Ie why did the Shivans first attack in Ross128? Did they meet the terrans first there?

Or, where they returning to the origional area of the node they left by to find out why it had collapsed, forcing them to detour.

Knossoss`s obviously shut down after a perod of reciving no codes from ancient tech.

As Bosh nicked the only piece of technology rem9iaing that can find them, the GTVA may have three or four gates at the edges of their allience planets sitting hidden in SS waiting to be opened.

[Shiva Archon]

There are confirmed other Knossos portals in regions beyond GTVA space (Gamma Drac, Mysterious Nebula, and Lions Den).  But I doubt there are other Knossos portals in GTVA territory, since AFAIK all the ones on the map are pretty well populated (Gamma Drac was a useless system).  They might be there, though, depends on how well explored the other outskirt systems (Adhara, Mirfak, Procyon, etc.) are.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by hobnob1978
well yes. but my suggestion is that there are other Knossos portals that used to form nodes to other areas of Ancient empire space.

I won't disagree that there COULD be others the GTVA don't know about. When a knossos portal is shut down it's virtually invisible anyway and space is huge.

What I disagreed with was your statement that there MUST be other portals.