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Originally posted by Bobboau
I like the 70 years after Capella time scale, we can have a buch of back story and ****, far enough in the future that you can have all sorts of cool ships but close enough that you might see a few cameos of old ships in the boon docks (probly see a lot of older freighters) and I have about three diferent plot lines that can go into this, though they arn't fully developed.  

I agree completely... the 50-70 year timespan is more than enough for all of the necessary backstory and technological developments.


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Tau? You might want to re-consider that name. I can see Games Workshop getting on your case, especially as you're using drones as well. (Tau is some new robot/drone army for the tabletop miniature game Warhammer 40K).

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Tau is a greek character, and by that very nature cannot be copyrighted to the extent that it prevents a race from being named that.  That'd be like saying that no one can use 'T' because of the terminator movies, except in an even more questionable state.  As for the ships from OTT, I was never really fond of the NGTA ships with their dark and somewhat bland colors and square windows/cockpits, but the rest I think are top quality.  The Vasudan ships especially, they still maintain that organic feel that is nearly impossible to replicate and the lighter textures make them look very stylized.  So you don't like them as a personal choice, big deal.  I happen to like them, but that's beside the point.
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about the Tau:
I wrote the OTT plot before Games workshop announced the W40k Tau. But when they did, I adapted mine and stole some ideas. So my Tau inherited the defense drones and huge railguns.
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Tau is a greek character, and by that very nature cannot be copyrighted to the extent that it prevents a race from being named that. That'd be like saying that no one can use 'T' because of the terminator movies, except in an even more questionable state.

   Well that's good because Games Workshop is the microsoft of the gaming industry and they've screwed enough people over already.


The Vasudan ships especially, they still maintain that organic feel that is nearly impossible to replicate and the lighter textures make them look very stylized. So you don't like them as a personal choice, big deal. I happen to like them, but that's beside the point.

   I didn't say that I don't like them, I do like the models but I just don't think they look Vasudan. And that's of course nothing more than a personal opinion. I don't like the ships mind you, but there are a few bits of the ships that i do like.

 

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Well that's good because Games Workshop is the microsoft of the gaming industry and they've screwed enough people over already.
I still don't see your point.  I'm not saying that there aren't a few borrowed traits, but there is no grounds for a legal battle as there was nothing in the name to steal.


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I didn't say that I don't like them, I do like the models but I just don't think they look Vasudan. And that's of course nothing more than a personal opinion. I don't like the ships mind you, but there are a few bits of the ships that i do like.
Ok, so...  you don't like the models when looking at the ship designs on the whole, I do.  Of course, I have done Vasudan meshes before (though they didn't look anything like these) and I know just how hard it is to maintain that "organic" feel.  The curves, the shape, it's all very hard to achieve.  To me, those are as next-gen Vasudan as they come.  Honestly, did the Vasudans maintain a consistant style from FS1 to FS2?

And the textures are stated to be off, they were when the pictures were put up, so disliking the designs on grounds of something that's known to be wrong already seems a little pointless to me.  I see those ships with the potential for new/altered skins as well as for their current appearance... think of what could be tweaked without even loading up the model file.  The possibilities are very promising.
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The curves, the shape, it's all very hard to achieve. To me, those are as next-gen Vasudan as they come. Honestly, did the Vasudans maintain a consistant style from FS1 to FS2?

   If you're asking me if the designs look the same as what we see in FS1 then no, there's obvious been some evolution. But the evolution apparent within the new designs still draws parallels to the previous ones. The only parallel between (most of) Venom's fighters and the FS2 Vasudans is the skin, nothing more. If they had a grey texturing would you assume they were Terran?

   Its like I said, all of the fighters are flat in both games. The only exception being the Anubis, but even with the Anubis we can see its evolution in the GVCv Sobek. The Ships have adopted a light yellow/tan colour as opposed to the dark brown/purples of FS1 but if you put a Mentu beside an Aten you can see the similarities.

And the textures are stated to be off, they were when the pictures were put up, so disliking the designs on grounds of something that's known to be wrong already seems a little pointless to me.

  If that were the only thing I disliked about the designs I would agree with your sentiment, but as my post made clear the texture is not the only thing I dislike. It is merely one facet.

I see those ships with the potential for       new/altered skins as well as for their current appearance... think of what could be tweaked without even loading up the model file. The possibilities are very promising.

  Perhaps. But I really couldn't say one way or the other until I saw the finished product. My post isn't meant to discourage anyone, it's great that people are making new ships for the game and that work is still progressing. But that doesn't mean I have to love everything that comes out. Take Derelict for example, I've yet to finish it but I find that the GTFf Saphah is a pretty simple yet cool idea. But for some reason whoever textured it decided to put a face on the front of the ship and I think that looks pretty goofy.

  For every ship that comes out, some people will like it, and some people won't. Differing opinions is what keeps life interesting.

 

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the yellow tone thing is because I wanted to:

that's the first version of the mihos ( w/o any graphical bug, I assume Woomeister didn't take a shot from modelview ), with standard vasudan maps. I think it looked cool, still I didn't keep it. Why? because I wanted my vasudans to look different. It's a matter of choice.

As you wisely said, different opinions is what makes life interesting. In that matter, my opinion comes first, and obviously many people won't share it. But when I do my own models I am  the rule ( always wanted to say that :D ).

That said, I DO think that the version above would probably fit better for the FSUP than the OTT version, coz the FSUP is not OTT. I did OTT solely on my own vision of how the FS2 story would evolve, and there was some dramatic happenings that were supposed to change many things on what is taken as canon and that other people would not want to change for any reason. That's my take, and that's why I didn't apply the OTT plot for the FSUP ( other reason I want OTT dead for good, coz OTT was mainly a story, not new ships ).

To sum up, OTT was MY own vision of the freespace universe future, and I made choices that probably didn't please my old staffers, but I disregarded their comments, and, finally, they were all fine with it.

I never wished to please anybody, I still don't. I know my tastes aren't the regular ones, I know I like odd designs, I know that the twists in OTT plot were sometimes a huge departure from what players were used to see, and I know that they would most likely not like it. But I prefer to stay true to my own vision rather than ( I'm gonna make enmies with that sentence ) following the trends of a universe which by many ways, I find utterly boring.

Anyway, I'm kindda fed up, coz I've been explaining myself a bit too many times in that very single thread, and I wish not go on with it. I'm done with OTT, and I'm also done with those models. They're old and history for me.
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I'm doing my story for 20-30 years afterwards, HG is around 70, and the general average storyline is about 20-50 years after Capella. Many of those models won't work, but no one said we had to take ALL of them, right? ;)

 

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I'm doing my story for 20-30 years afterwards, HG is around 70, and the general average storyline is about 20-50 years after Capella. Many of those models won't work, but no one said we had to take ALL of them, right? ;)

[color=66ff00]Of course, actually it's far preferable than attempting to concoct a plot that uses all of them. Basically they are our 'options' which obviously, given the number, gives us a lot of room to maneuver.
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I really hope you use the Raziel and Ezechiel in FSUpgrade. They're too cool to go to waste.
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;7 :thepimp:

course, it's supposed to be horizontal, not vertical... ;)

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That's my favorite fighter. :D


THAT'S the Raziel?!? I thought the Raziel was something else! Huh!

The general design of the ship would be a perfect Shivan ship (of any size - fighter, bomber, capship) if it was pointy and spikey - mainly I say this because of the two arms coming up over the back. :)

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Originally posted by Max Sterling

Penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis...


Alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien, alien...
:p
Nah, seriously, I hope yours is noweher near like that, for your sake :p
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You mean its supposed to look like an ALIEN PENIS? Maybe that explains it then.
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*snip*

Penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis...
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Bah, the Shiamak from Inferno is far more penile.
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Now THIS is great!
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Gotta love the Ezechiel.:yes:
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The Benkai would rock if it had a better texture job. I'm not bashing the job on it, it looks ok, a bit pixelated, but ok.   Alas, it'd be even better with big, grey, Old skewl Terran Textures on it.
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yeah, but please note that for some reason there's no texture smoothing on that pic.
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At least he has veritity.
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yeah, but please note that for some reason there's no texture smoothing on that pic.


That's what you get for letting other people take the screenies...

I think I saw it on your main site, and yes, it looks sweet. :)  Can't wait to play with it. :)
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