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Offline Knight Templar

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I think the ancients are really just a shivan faction that is trying to lure the GTVA into a trap in order for them to reopen the sol node and finally blow up the sun with a Juggernaught fleet.
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Offline Atlur

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Lol, I think this arguement might be a little more heated than it ought to be. It seems to me that Shivans annihilated Terrans and Vasudans without bias from the opening animation of Freespace onwards, but that's just me.

 

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Hey, chill out. This is a discussion, not a war. :)

There's no doubt in my mind that the Vasudans were influenced by the Ancients somehow, long, long ago. Evidence includes the Prophecy, that there will come an all-powerful race that will annihilate all life. The Ancients must have seeded in the Vasudan consicousness long ago the idea of the Destroyers, but the Prophecy has been reinterpreted so many times over thousands of years that it's become nothing but myth.
The best parallel I can draw is the Flood, spoken of in holy texts all over the world. There must have been something like this a long, long time ago, since all these cultures (who didn't have any contact with each other) came up with roughly the same story at the same time.
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nobody has really answered my questions #2 and #4, please, dont just concentrate on #1 :)
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Facts supported by fiction in the game.

Vasudans are not ancients.  There was attempts and subtle hints made at a connection between the two races, likely leading to the prophesy that spurred the HoL to go on its rampage and to give both species a hint about the coming destruction.

Ancients were as technologically evolved as the Terrans and Vasudans were when they were attacked by the Shivans with one critical difference.  They were masters of subspace technology, by fluke, circumstance, or otherwise.  This comes from the horses mouth...when asked about the Ancients, several people at Volition reported to us that Ancients were not any better than the GTA or the PVE.

The first attack that we know about from the Shivans was in Ross128 at GTI Rivera.  The installation was destroyed by the Shivans and several scout wings engaged both Vasudan and Terran forces destroying them completely except for the ill fated pilot who made it back to Rivera.

Shivans took several weeks or months to find Vasuda Prime before they finally surrounded and destroyed the planet.  There is little likely to support a previous attack 8000 years ago.  The planet was always arid and inhospitable.  The Vasudans evolved spaceflight probably out of a need to support their lack of resources.  Its unlikely that the Shivans just zeroed in on it.  Follow the rough order of events in FS2...Ross 128, Antares, Ikeya, Ribos, Vega, Deneb, Vasuda Prime, and so on.  Thats definately not homing straight in but systematically wreaking havoc on many fronts at the same time.

According to everything we know from the Ancients narratives, their race was completely destroyed (although thats not something we can trust completely - we can assume that the story writers intentions were that the race was gone, finished, done for).  There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the Ancients were Vasudans...a linkage is there in mythology, but it seems like the Vasudans were perhaps treated like children and ignored by the Shivans during their rampage the 8000 years before - no subspace, no threat.

The linkage between the first ever ship attacked in a mission bears no consequence.  The first ever installation attacked was Terran...the first ever fighter to be attacked goes to a tie (the pilot reporting that "they slaughtered everyone" and refered to the Vasudans being destroyed too).  The equal destruction is well noted in the storyline...neither side was spared any courtesy in any way regardless of what the mission tells us.  The Aten destroyed by the first Shivan attack was more likely a story effort to show the player that Vasudans were also under attack, leaving no doubt that the Shivans were only after Terrans.
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nobody has really answered my questions #2 and #4, please, dont just concentrate on #1 :)
2: It's just a sick Volition joke.

4: They have a very active and fulfilling sex-life including, but not limited to: Whips, Blindfolds, Role-playing and Tantra. Wether they lays eggs is anybodies guess.

 

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Y'know, we could just hunt down a Volition guy and ask him what the general opinion was in the office at the time FS was made.

 
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I'm not too up on FS1 history, but I'm reasonably sure that the Terrans only started getting completely boned by the Shivans after they declared a truce with the Vasudans.


Ok, if you aren't familiar with the FS1 story than you shouldn't try to argue until you know what the hell your talking about.  Oh, and the whole reason the GTA made a truce with the Vasudans was because both races were being raped by the Shivans.
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4: They have a very active and fulfilling sex-life including, but not limited to: Whips, Blindfolds, Role-playing and Tantra. Wether they lays eggs is anybodies guess.



you still didn't answer if they just have one sex... though I guess you're asuming there is only one? :wtf:
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you still didn't answer if they just have one sex... though I guess you're asuming there is only one? :wtf:


There's not a whole lot of information regarding that in the game, but if the most interesting thing about the species is their complicated language (which is what the Vasudan species info goes into in detail), then I assume they reproduce in a fashion at least somewhat similar to humans.

 

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Ok, if you aren't familiar with the FS1 story than you shouldn't try to argue until you know what the hell your talking about.  Oh, and the whole reason the GTA made a truce with the Vasudans was because both races were being raped by the Shivans.
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ergh.. no... think about it.., anyone remember Ross128? (the star system people) it was wiped of all Trace  of life... somehow i don't think the shivans are sloppy as to leave a few survivors... and besides.. there is something about the vasudans being technologically on par with the terrans....
 


Ross 128 was not wiped lean of life

in ST you find that other GTI station in ross 128

They destroyed only the station and the ships around it.
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you still didn't answer if they just have one sex... though I guess you're asuming there is only one? :wtf:


They have 2 sexes, listen to the voice files from fs2 - a female translator voice wouldn't be put in for teh fun of it. :D
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Ok, if you aren't familiar with the FS1 story than you shouldn't try to argue until you know what the hell your talking about.  Oh, and the whole reason the GTA made a truce with the Vasudans was because both races were being raped by the Shivans.
'Nuff said.


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4: They have a very active and fulfilling sex-life including, but not limited to: Whips, Blindfolds, Role-playing and Tantra. Wether they lays eggs is anybodies guess.


I bet Vasudans are pretty much the only ones strong and agile enough to perform Tantra without sustaining broken bones.:lol:
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Ooh!!!

Riccardo Zapino knows about #4!!!

I know Narol knows what Im talking about...

For you lazy or new people who don't remember...
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,15486.0.html
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If you really want an honest to god opinion about no 4., i'd say they mate like fish. Female lays eggs, male seeds them, then small vasudans come out of the shells.

Why? Because we all know the wuv 'em.
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If you really want an honest to god opinion about no 4., i'd say they mate like fish. Female lays eggs, male seeds them, then small vasudans come out of the shells.

Why? Because we all know the wuv 'em.


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Maybe the Vasudans + Ancients thing is just looking much too far into it, all the prophecy stuff is just to give some meaning to the violence innit.
I bet [V] never actually thought of all that.