[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
To get rid of the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Bastard

Taliban's changed from a legal organisation to an underground one, Al Quaida is still there, and Osama is presumably still alive. Gee-whiz.

[Woolie Wool]

The potential for them to harm us is all but gone.

[magatsu1]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
The potential for them to harm us is all but gone.

how'd you figure ?

I agree with Liberator when it comes to hardliners.

[Woolie Wool]

To them, everyone who is not a fanatical fundamentalist Sunni Muslim must be converted or destroyed.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Liberator
The Militant Muslims hate us because we are not Muslim.  They beleive that we are evil and that their god has commanded them to convert us, and if we don't convert, to kill us.  In truth, they are small-minded men who fear what we represent.

And yet they don't attack France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Russia, Japan, China.......[Carries on for another 100 countries or so].... all of whom are not muslim countries.

America has been picked because America has a habit of meddling in the affairs of other countries including most of the Middle East. If the Americans hadn't put a bee in his bonnet Osama Bin Laden would have been relaxing by a swimming pool in Saudi Arabia right now instead of plotting the fall of the west.

[magatsu1]

true, but whenever anarchy breaks out everyone calls for American troops to be sent in.
and where would NATO be without US forces ?
I'm not American, and America isn't perfect, but compared to the other major powers we've seen in recent history (the Nazis and Communisim) I think things worked out for the best.

I'm proud of the history between the US & UK.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by karajorma


And yet they don't attack France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Russia, Japan, China.......[Carries on for another 100 countries or so].... all of whom are not muslim countries.

America has been picked because America has a habit of meddling in the affairs of other countries including most of the Middle East. If the Americans hadn't put a bee in his bonnet Osama Bin Laden would have been relaxing by a swimming pool in Saudi Arabia right now instead of plotting the fall of the west.

Osama thinks we're all evil but to him Americans are the most evil of them all because we're rich and powerful and he thinks we like to listen to the music of slutty teenagers in bikinis (I wouldn't touch a Titney Spears album with a 10-light-year pole myself). Also, he believed America was a nice, fat, juicy, easily terrorized, and weak target, perfect for a terrorist attack.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by magatsu1
true, but whenever anarchy breaks out everyone calls for American troops to be sent in.
and where would NATO be without US forces ?
I'm not American, and America isn't perfect, but compared to the other major powers we've seen in recent history (the Nazis and Communisim) I think things worked out for the best.

I'm proud of the history between the US & UK.

I agree 100%.

[phreak]

Originally posted by magatsu1
true, but whenever anarchy breaks out everyone calls for American troops to be sent in.
and where would NATO be without US forces ?
I'm not American, and America isn't perfect, but compared to the other major powers we've seen in recent history (the Nazis and Communisim) I think things worked out for the best.

I'm proud of the history between the US & UK.

holy ****! a non-american that doesn't hate the US!!!~~!11

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Osama thinks we're all evil but to him Americans are the most evil of them all because we're rich and powerful and he thinks we like to listen to the music of slutty teenagers in bikinis (I wouldn't touch a Titney Spears album with a 10-light-year pole myself). Also, he believed America was a nice, fat, juicy, easily terrorized, and weak target, perfect for a terrorist attack.

And yet he was willing to work with America for several years when the CIA picked him up from Saudi Arabia and convinced him to get involved in the war against USSR in Afghanistan? Did you not realise that Osama learnt every thing he knows about hiding in caves to avoid the military from Americans? Do you really believe that the whole time he was thinking "Just a little bit longer and then I'll turn on them"?

The whole 9/11 thing is a global case of Fatal Attraction. Osama was used by America to achieve their goals and then unceramoniously dumped the second the russians pulled out of Afghanistan. Unfortunately they picked the wrong psycho and now he's determined to get some sort of payback. It's nothing to do with being jealous of the west or wanting to convert them to Islam.

[Sandwich]

*insert general and generic warning to remember to keep this thread calm and flame-free here*

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Stunaep
Lastly, you haven't had a war on your soil for nearly 300 years. That's because, well, the only ones that could invade you are Canada and Mexico. Europe hasn't been that fortunate. We know that war sucks. So we avoid it. So WOPEE to our washed-up old men.

Let's see...
300 years, eh?
French and Indian War (AKA The Seven Years War): Ended in 1763. 2003-1763 =  240 years.
The American Revolution: Ended in 1783. 2003-1783 = 220 years.
The War of 1812: Ended in 1815. 2003-1815 = 188 years.
Mexican-American War: Ended in 1848. 2003-1848 = 155 years.
The American Civil War: Ended in 1865. 2003-1865 = 138 years.

I admit that we haven't actually participated in a war that threatened American possessions since World War II (where the Aleutians, Midway, Hawaii, and all targets for conquest by Japan and the Japanese submarines attacked American shipping off of California).

But at least get your facts right! I admit that the president doesn't have a clue that he's playing with fire, but come on, at least support your statements with correct facts.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Flipside

We only ever seem to be fighting the effects.

Flipside

Hehe, well, that's western culture

[Rictor]

I skimmed most of the post, and man; you people have a talent for just ignoring the original topic in favour or the same old BS. I can't say that I haven't done the same, but still...


For the purpose of this thread, I don't give a **** about Bush's policies, or bin Laden or Israel or anything else that has been discussed a thousand times before. The issue here is that a mass murdered, under who's command thousands of civilians were killed, is running for President, and no one see's the fault in this. I honestly don't see how dropping bombs from a plane, after you have signed a piece of paper saying that you're at war, justifies civilian deaths. As far as I'm concerned, this is like electing bin Laden for president, and I challenge anyone to dispute that.

Thats about as non-flaming as I can be on the topic.

[phreak]

well Ike was elected in '52. very different person however

where the hell did that article come from anyway.

[Sesquipedalian]

Originally posted by PhReAk


holy ****! a non-american that doesn't hate the US!!!~~!11

I don't hate the USA.  Heck, I'm dating an American, a Texan no less.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Rictor
For the purpose of this thread, I don't give a **** about Bush's policies, or bin Laden or Israel or anything else that has been discussed a thousand times before. The issue here is that a mass murdered, under who's command thousands of civilians were killed, is running for President, and no one see's the fault in this. I honestly don't see how dropping bombs from a plane, after you have signed a piece of paper saying that you're at war, justifies civilian deaths. As far as I'm concerned, this is like electing bin Laden for president, and I challenge anyone to dispute that.

Unfortunately it's all connected. The only reason someone like this can run on an anti-war ticket is because of Sept 11th and the war on Iraq.

That said I've never given much credence to complaints of Serbs about Kosovo cause given their war record it did look like they were about to start yet another war in the Balkans.
 I will agree that the UN have handled the situation dreadfully though and that's mostly because the UN couldn't find their arse with both hands.

[TheCelestialOne]

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices."

[Rictor]

Well, aside from Serbian greivances about Kosovo, Welsley Clark is still guilty of what the world defines as genocide.

But, since it was Serbs dieing, and we all know how evil they are, its not important. Its the double-standard that really gets to me. Dead Americans are heros. Dead Albanians are victims. Dead Serbs are ex-targets, not even mentioned in any news program; their deaths unknown (and un-cared) to the world. Indeed, they're a trophy on some asshole's wall, who now wishes to become president.

And please, don't talk about the "Serbian war record" or Albanian claims to ownership. You know nothing of either. Though I don't know everything there is to know certainly, I suspect that my info stems from sources a bit more varied and a bit more reliable than CNN..

[vyper]

You know, this policy of invading and "liberating" small middle eastern countries in our own vision wouldn't be so bad... if the US-Army was any good at post war management. Unfortunately for everyone, they're a tad out of their depth.

1st thing that should have happened was, alright - war technically over, start deploying UN multi-national peace keeping forces to the major populous centres. Then, redeploy British and American forces to hunt down resistance in the country and underground of Iraq.