[Tolwyn]

Just before you start telling us:"Hey, the conning tower has to be on the left side!" let me explain something.

We are partial to the Concordia-class tower being on the right hand side.

in WC4, they were forced to rehash the Victory all over again because they ran into probs with using the Connie. This way, this Concordia-class will look similiar enough to the Ranger, but just slightly different so one can say "hey, that's a different ship!"

Pic's are taken directly from FS-Modelview, but they are good
enough


 

[Nico]

yeah, you got rid of the smoothing

You know... I'm really gonna keep spamming this thread until you post pics of the Drakhri ( I'm in love with this ship since the shot from WC2 shown on the french magazine advertings when WC2 came out, where you see two of them, one close, and one shooting at a confederation class dreadnough - I still have that advert on my wall )

[Gloriano]

It's way Cool:yes:

[Lynx]

Originally posted by adwight
I like the designs, except for every single on the the cap ships for the Kilrathi.  The texture job looks like crap, and the models definately are too block.  Not a good job done with them IMO.

That's because whe took over the models directly from WC3 and frankly, my first attempt at Kilrathi textures doesn't look too good, either. The models are edgy because the are meant to have hard angles, but I tried to enhance the model detail and the textures. Here's a WIP screenshot of the Fralthi II cruiser. What do you think of ot now?



Right now it has too much windows( I have to edit the texture) It's missing the turret podests(You can see some, but they're the old version, I'm going to make a new better one)

[Ace]

Now that's how I would add detail to the WC3/4 ships. Good work

[Nico]

I think I'd do more drastic changes, but I suppose many would scream to blasphemy for that...

[gevatter Lars]

What kind of changes would you do??

[Tolwyn]

Originally posted by Nico
I think I'd do more drastic changes, but I suppose many would scream to blasphemy for that...

yeah, Lars should know that by now

[Nico]

Originally posted by gevatter Lars
What kind of changes would you do??

I'd carve holes, trenches, stuff everywhere, mostly, I wouldn't keep a single one of those giant edges intact. Coz no matter how much detailling you add to the surfaces themselves, most WC3 Kilrathi caps will look like a bunch of sticks put together unless you're skmming at 5 meters above its surface. They should have kept the WC2 design trend, it was more inspired imho.
Send me the fralthi mesh ( 3ds format ) and I'll show you what I mean, if you want.

[gevatter Lars]

Oh I don't like the WC2 ships....they look like a submarine in space or like a mix of Startrek with ...whatever.
Well everyone has the things he likes..

[Bakhtosh]

I always had the feeling that the Kilrathis caps from WC3 were screaming at me:

"We were designed  to be round and scary, but then someone had forced us to try this with 6 straight lines. Don't blame us for this !"

So in my opinion the desgin was killed through the low poly restrictions.
I agree with Nico, that adding a few things at the surface don't make the WC3 kilrathi cap ships look like that much better. The contour will still look like somewhat from a pupils first geometry lesson.

In the manual the WC3 ship design was described as scary though asymetric elements, that seems to make the ships bigger than they are. The Kilrathi cap ships from WC1/WC2 were mostly symetric. I think the asymetric elements should be kept as a development of the Kilrathi ship desgin. So there would be some breach to the older designs. But I also think the ships should become more round.

Since I am not familar with 3D desgin programs I tried to sktech a wildly changed fralthi 2 model to show what i mean.
Since I also can't sketch very well, the model looks weird and the changes are too drastic, but maybe you can catch the direction of the changes I would suggest.

[Nico]

Originally posted by gevatter Lars
Oh I don't like the WC2 ships....they look like a submarine in space or like a mix of Startrek with ...whatever.
Well everyone has the things he likes..

I wouldn't make the ship looks like WC2 ship. WC3 has its own design, I respect that, I would just make it look more interesting, considering the huge CPU resources difference compared to back then, while retaining the principal features ( for exemple, the "silhouette" would be about exactly the same ). But if you don't want me to show you, that's fine with me, will save some free time

[gevatter Lars]

@Nico:
Well at the moment I don't have the actual modelfile so you have to wait till Lynx send it to you and then you can show us some of your ideas.

@Bakhtosh:
Well that looks more like a Nephilim ship now, but since you say yourself that its overdone I think I get what you want the ships to look like.
I will think about it and maybe something intresting will come out of that...but since I am quite short on time I don't know if I can show something soon.

[psych]

What the f....?

That's not looking like a Kilrathi ship at all. It looks like a more organic alien style ship and is totally incompatible with the Kilrathi's use of curves, fangs, and pointy edges in their ship design. I don't want to waste your time, but sorry, but this isn't going to float.

psych, WC Saga tech advisor

[Nico]

Originally posted by gevatter Lars
@Bakhtosh:
Well that looks more like a Nephilim ship now, but since you say yourself that its overdone I think I get what you want the ships to look like.
I will think about it and maybe something intresting will come out of that...but since I am quite short on time I don't know if I can show something soon.

Looks too much like the nephilims have absorbed... well, something with edges. I think the curves are definitively lost for the Kilrathis. The curves belong to the bugs now.

[psych]

I took the liberty to post Baktosh's picture on the WC CIC. I have the utmost confidence that the WC community's response to his Fralthi II picture will be open-minded, friendly, amicable, and well intended.

[Bakhtosh]

@all:

You're right - it looked a little bit like the Nephilim.

I've read in a WC manual, that the Kilrathi ships were often designed with claws or fangs in mind. So I thought adding these arms would make the ships a little bit look like that.
But it didn't.

I've removed the arms and exchanged the picture (look at my last post).
The picture still contains the changes, which I would like for Kilrathi cap ships (everything a little bit more round).
I hope it is recognizable, that I would keep the main aspects of the silhouette.

I only think, that the WC3 Kilrathi cap ships silhouettes suffers more through the low poly restrictions of the WC3 3D engine than the other cap ships.
I think making the silhouettes a bit more round would solve this problem and would reduce the design gap to the Kilrathi cap ships from WC1/2.

And hey - it was just a idea -  and I can't really sketch...


@psych:
If you've catched the original picture please don't publish it elsewere. You all are right - it didn't fit for Kilrathi cap ships.

[Nico]

Originally posted by psych
I took the liberty to post Baktosh's picture on the WC CIC. I have the utmost confidence that the WC community's response to his Fralthi II picture will be open-minded, friendly, amicable, and well intended.

Then again, they don't even know what these words mean.

[gevatter Lars]

*nods*

[psych]

Hey Baktosh, someone on the CIC just went out of his way to make a 3d render of your artwork! The short time it took for him to make it is proof that the WC community is really a big fan of your design.



Ain't it cool?