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Offline mikhael

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Gentoo. Because everything else is just ****. :D

Dude. Gentoo: Its like FreeBSD, but without all the standardisation and stability. ;)

I wouldn't use an NForce motherboard. They're garbage--but that's just a techie opinion. They're perfectly useable for joe user.

I use BSD instead of Linux because its a slower target. Development is slower, more careful and generall (in my opinion) of higher quality. They are more stable because of the slower, more careful development process.

The various BSD platforms are standard. You can move from OpenBSD to FreeBSD to NetBSD and feel reasonably at home. The file system is standardised, and the package and ports systems adhere to that standardization (Debian is strong here too).

Next thing: BSD is BSD derived. It seems like a rather self evident thing to say, but it true. Linux and Solaris share a serious flaw, in my opinion: they both try to mash together the "best" of BSD and the "best" of System-V. In the end, they both end up inconsistent and ill suited for (again, my opinion) serious every day work.

Finally, and most importantly, there are fewer BSD Zealots to deal with than there are Linux Zealots. You won't here your average BSD user cursing your family to its third generation for using a different BSD distribution than he does, or worse a different OS. You will catch this from lots of Linux users though. The BSD user culture is much more laid back, less defensive, less confrontational and more generally helpful.

Keep in mind I don't try to make my boxen into a flashy wunderkind super techie workstation out of Star Trek XXXIV. In fact, it looks and acts a lot like Microsoft Windows on the surface. Underneath the surface, its your average Unix powerhouse.

Other than that stuff, there's really no difference between FreeBSD and Linux.
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Offline Kamikaze

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Originally posted by mikhael

I wouldn't use an NForce motherboard. They're garbage--but that's just a techie opinion.


I'm curious on the matter, can you elaborate? I'm considering mobos for a new system and nforce2s were one of my options.
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They're reasonably okay, if you like chipsets with a bunch of crap added in. I personally do not. Its useless cruft.

On the professional side, the NForce chipset is inappropriate for server machines (which is the realm in which I work).
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all linux is free - it's required to be (see GPL)

Red Hat is ok


FYI: NTFS 5.X support (Win2K/XP NTFS) is still tagged expirimental - it's ready only and if you load the ntfs5 module [ie mount an ntfs5 drive] your drive performance will go directly through the freaking floor [as of last time i used it which was 6 months ago]
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I haven't noticed anything like that here with the Linux NTFS support but then again, I'm not using Red Hat...
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Offline Grey Wolf

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They're reasonably okay, if you like chipsets with a bunch of crap added in. I personally do not. Its useless cruft.

On the professional side, the NForce chipset is inappropriate for server machines (which is the realm in which I work).
Could that be because they're intended for hardware enthusiasts, not servers?

And a dirt-cheap nForce 2 doesn't really have that many extra features added in. Soundstorm (the good audio subsystem) is part of the MCP-T, the optional upgrade to the standard MCP southbridge.  SATA and RAID? Those are both on discrete chips that the motherboard designers add in, just as it is in most VIA chipset-based motherboards. Dual-channel DDR? Sure, it doesn't help much do the inherent limitations of the processor (a dual-pumped 133/166/200 which comes out to 266/333/400, as opposed to the quad-pumped bus 133/200 of the P4, which come out to 533/800, requiring dual-channel ram for maximum performance). But they released a version of the northbridge without it (the nForce 2 400, as opposed to the normal nForce 2 Ultra 400).  Integrated LAN? Sure, many people may not use it, but it's becoming standard equipment on all motherboards. Is there some feature I didn't list which you really hate or something?
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My main problem is with chipsets (any chipsets) that have more than the absolute minimum required hardware integrated in. My second problem is any chipset that doesn't support 64bit PCI for every slot, preferably hot-swappable. I deal in heavier hardware than most gamers.

Put an NForce chip into a high-reliability (five nines or better) environment. They are not stable enough for use in anything but a gaming/home machine. Like I said: I don't deal in those environments. My gear is strictly in the server space. Gaming/enthusiast machines and professional machines are two entirely different worlds. Most gamers/enthusiasts forget that.
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Offline Grey Wolf

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I acknowledge the fact that they are perfectly useless in professional enviroments. That's because that's not what they're designed for. If they were, I'd expect them to have things such as a 64bit PCI controller, ECC memory, possibly even an SCSI controller or PCI-X. But since they are designed for enthusiasts and gaming, most wouldn't have parts that require SCSI, PCI-X, or 64bit PCI, and they'd consider ECC wasted clock cycles. I personally wouldn't mind some of the high-end SCSI drives though.....
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