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Offline Gloriano

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NEO: i am robot? damn now i need robot energy forever;)


*robot dance*
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.- Nietzsche

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Offline Razor

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Enter the matrix explains much much more than the movie does.

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It wasn't the hammer that knocked the sentinels off. It was Neo actually. He collapsed because the energy he created drained his life force and thus placed him in a coma. What actually happened? Neo opened the door to the source, the light (or whatever it is) took him somewhere else. I bet that his mind was taken to the source and his body somehow remained or something. The oracle said: "He has touched the source, and separated his mind from his body" I believe that Neo actually somehow advanced to the next level

 

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A few more things. Architect said that Neo had to select a group of people to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply will result in the destruction of the entire human race. It's a blackmail.

To enter the real world from the Matrix, you need to be unplugged. Smith was unplugged and so was Bain, the guy he infected. Smith could enter the real world. He said: I am UNPLUGGED but he didn't because:
-He wanted to copy himself more and it was necessery for the main Smith to remain in the Matrix.
-He needed a host because maybe Smith would be recognised by those people  on board Bains ship. Why did he enter the real world? So that he could destroy Neo. The oracle said in the trailer. Tonight...the fate of BOTH worlds will be in your hands or in his. If Smith eliminates Neo, he is the only one left. Simple.

 

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Offline Razor

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Meh...:p
I wanted to copy paste it but it just copied the first paragaph so I gave up. :p And,... I thought people don't like to read my posts. :p

 

Offline Gloriano

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but that i know that there is great battle between humans and machines in revolution
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.- Nietzsche

When in despair I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won; there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall.- Mahatma Gandhi

 

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[size=10]Neo is NOT flesh and blood![/size]
I'd have thought the huge sockets down his back, arms, legs and head would've given this little secret away, but alas.......

The whole 'source' thing was probably just Neo getting control over the basic OS inherant in all the tech-****. So, with it he could properly control all the crap in his body and shoot sentinels with his laser-hands. Remember that thing about people just being hude batteries? Well all that crap in his back and arms certainly wasn't so he could move in the Matrix, it was to suck power from his body. His entire goddamn skeleton is probably one big mess of capacitors and super-conductive fibres. So it's very likely that if he tried hard enough he could channel enough energy through all that junk to blast some Sentinels. Or at the very least emit some kinda suicide-command.
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Yeah, I thought that too, but who gives a fuck?
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Offline Razor

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Originally posted by an0n
[size=10]Neo is NOT flesh and blood![/size]
I'd have thought the huge sockets down his back, arms, legs and head would've given this little secret away, but alas.......

The whole 'source' thing was probably just Neo getting control over the basic OS inherant in all the tech-****. So, with it he could properly control all the crap in his body and shoot sentinels with his laser-hands. Remember that thing about people just being hude batteries? Well all that crap in his back and arms certainly wasn't so he could move in the Matrix, it was to suck power from his body. His entire goddamn skeleton is probably one big mess of capacitors and super-conductive fibres. So it's very likely that if he tried hard enough he could channel enough energy through all that junk to blast some Sentinels. Or at the very least emit some kinda suicide-command.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You have absolutely no clue.

 

Offline 01010

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Someone has done a LOT of thinking about this, a bit text heavy but a worthy read and I think this guys theory is the one I most agree with. Wish I thought of it, but I don't have as much free time as he (evidently) does.

http://webpages.charter.net/btakle/matrix_reloaded.html

I think the idea of machines and humans needing each other to evolve is pretty sound.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2003, 12:24:10 pm by 784 »
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Spoiler:
Well, I think Smith is a virus, he cannot manifest himself outside of the Matrix (i.e. at a Xion level) unless Xion is ALSO part of the Matrix, a program cannot exist as a solid object as such, as for what happens when he takes over other people, I don't know, maybe they will wake, but with Smith's persona?
I suppose it's possible that Xion is part of the Matrix, but that is so old hat I doubt it.
As for robots, got to disagree with you there, considering the removal of the 'Bug' in Matrix 1, and the Bullet in 2, I thnik these are flesh and blood people.
I think this all revolves around Love, it wouldn't be out of place in a Chinese directed movie, and I think the thing that makes Neo different from the other 'Ones' is his love for Trinity, that is why he didn't die, and, more notably, that is why Trinity didn't die either. But Neo's non-death made agent smith into a Virus that the Matrix cannot cope with, and the only person who can stop him is Neo. As for stopping the Sentinels, although they are not 'within' the Matrix, they are still controlled by it, and Neo has a limited control over the Matrix, which is growing.


That's my view :)

Edit : Oh yes, though I didn't enjoy Reloaded as much as Matrix, I remember Empire Strikes Back, so I will wait and see ;)
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what's with all this "spoiler" jiggery-pokery ?? :blah:
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Offline Flipside

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if you put 'spoiler'&'/spoiler' on either end of your text it does black writing on a black background :) For ' type [ and ].

Flipside :D

 

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"Suddenly Neo awoke. 'Wow, what a crazy dream.' He opens the door to his apartment and is immediately beheaded by Agent Smith wielding a meat cleaver.

'GAH!' He awoke with a start. Neo looked around his room... 'It was all just a dream...'"
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Offline Razor

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Originally posted by Flipside
Spoiler:
Well, I think Smith is a virus, he cannot manifest himself outside of the Matrix (i.e. at a Xion level) unless Xion is ALSO part of the Matrix, a program cannot exist as a solid object as such, as for what happens when he takes over other people, I don't know, maybe they will wake, but with Smith's persona?
I suppose it's possible that Xion is part of the Matrix, but that is so old hat I doubt it.
As for robots, got to disagree with you there, considering the removal of the 'Bug' in Matrix 1, and the Bullet in 2, I thnik these are flesh and blood people.
I think this all revolves around Love, it wouldn't be out of place in a Chinese directed movie, and I think the thing that makes Neo different from the other 'Ones' is his love for Trinity, that is why he didn't die, and, more notably, that is why Trinity didn't die either. But Neo's non-death made agent smith into a Virus that the Matrix cannot cope with, and the only person who can stop him is Neo. As for stopping the Sentinels, although they are not 'within' the Matrix, they are still controlled by it, and Neo has a limited control over the Matrix, which is growing.


That's my view :)

Edit : Oh yes, though I didn't enjoy Reloaded as much as Matrix, I remember Empire Strikes Back, so I will wait and see ;) [/B]


Remember when Smith said to Morpheus: You are a desease a cancer of this world, you are a plague and we...are the cure. Well now we know its opposite.

 

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You have absolutely no clue.

Mmmm. Tasty, tasty flame-bait.

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Aww, you guys suck.
"I.....don't.....CARE!!!!!" ---- an0n
"an0n's right. He's crazy, an asshole, not to be trusted, rarely to be taken seriously, and never to be allowed near your mother. But, he's got a knack for being right. In the worst possible way he can find." ---- Yuppygoat
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Aww, you guys suck.


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Dire Straits the 80's new-romantic music group? You fag.
"I.....don't.....CARE!!!!!" ---- an0n
"an0n's right. He's crazy, an asshole, not to be trusted, rarely to be taken seriously, and never to be allowed near your mother. But, he's got a knack for being right. In the worst possible way he can find." ---- Yuppygoat
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