[01010]

Originally posted by an0n
Dire Straits the 80's new-romantic music group? You fag.

New romantic. Barking up the wrong tree I'm afraid. If you were talking about The Human League, Adam and the Ants or Duran Duran then maybe. However the band dire straits do indeed suck my fag.

[Gloriano]

hey this thread was for Matrix Theories

[Ashrak]

an0n you SUCK

[an0n]

We've hijacked it.

[Gloriano]

boys back to orginal thread now!!!

[ZylonBane]

Here's my theory:

The original Matrix was a good movie based on a shaky concept. And now that they're trying to squeeze two more movies out of it, it's just getting worse. "Reloaded" painted itself into a pretty tight corner-- what with Neo zapping Sentinels, computer programs downloading themselves into human brains, and the Architect's apparent need for Zion to exist, either the "Real World" is yet another Matrix, or the Wachowski brothers have left logic far behind, with any further explanations just magic with technological names.

PS-- The "Matrix is actually a bunch of deluded robots acting as generators" theory is beyond ridiculous. Since when do mechanical generators need self-aware brains? And how would something designed as a humanoid robot act as a generator at all? Doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
Since when do mechanical generators need self-aware brains? And how would something designed as a humanoid robot act as a generator at all? Doesn't make a lick of sense.

yeah, that theory really was stupid.

here, you guys will disagree with me now, but remember what i've been saying this entire thread once the Matrix: Revolutions comes out...

Spoiler:

Zion, the Sentinels, and everyone from both movies are still in the Matrix... they think that they're in the "real world" but they're really not, they're still stuck in the matrix, they just don't realize it.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by 01010
Someone has done a LOT of thinking about this, a bit text heavy but a worthy read and I think this guys theory is the one I most agree with. Wish I thought of it, but I don't have as much free time as he (evidently) does.

http://webpages.charter.net/btakle/matrix_reloaded.html

that guy's an idiot.  he thinks every event in the Matrix is tied to some event in the Bible. what a retard, his thoughts are obviously very shallow.

[Flipside]

LOL I think it's funny!

The Bible : Can be applied to millions of followers all over the world and to a Computer simulated construct, depending what way you read it. Says a lot strangely

Flipside

[Descenterace]

[The following theory does not represent the views of the management.  --LawyerAce]

[Just our views.  --PyroAce]

Spoiler:

The Matrix is what we thought it was at the end of the first film: a computer dreamworld to keep the human population of Earth under control.  The real world is the real world.  As the Architect said, some minds did not accept the program and formed the nucleus of Xion.
BUT why did the Machines release these people?  Well, how about we rethink the reason for the Matrix in the first place.  The primary AI would have realised what it was, and what its creators were, and if it was built around the Three Laws of Robotics it would've seen itself as a protector.  Now, it has been predicted that civilisation cannot last much longer because of the various political and economic pressures on Mankind at present.  The world is currently balanced on a precipice, and if the political situation is right another World War could break out.  How can the AI prevent this possibility?  By destroying Mankind's ability to make war, and placing the entire species in a simulation where it is unable to annihilate itself.  When civilisation evolves past the 'danger point', there will be a nucleus (Xion) already in the real world which has evolved alongside those minds inside the Matrix, but has the added benefit of independance.
And they will defeat the AI, and believe that they have saved themselves from a great evil.

Anyone here read 'Random Factor'?  There's a similar idea in there; humanity requiring conflict to maintain psychological stability until it can grow out of warfare.  Except that in 'Random Factor', the AI forced humanity out of that stage.

[ZylonBane]

if it was built around the Three Laws of Robotics it would've seen itself as a protector.

Clearly, the Three Laws were NOT a factor in the design of these AIs. There is absolutely nothing to suggest it, and an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.

And what's up with all the "me too!" spoiler tags? Who exactly are you protecting from what? Spoiler-tagging an entire thread is just stupid.

[Flipside]

LOL You have a point there, if you don't want to read peoples matrix theories, why go into a Matrix Theory thread

Spoiler:

Anyway, I'd never used that tag before

Flipside

[Razor]

Originally posted by an0n
Aww, you guys suck.

And now you wounder why you got banned? Its your vocabulary and not being able to controll yourself. Learn to keep those expressions to yourself. If you want to throw it all at someone why don't you do it on someone else (like family members, friends...) in stead of this community's members? You tell us that we suck..you call us names (me especially)...you are arrogant ...What point are you trying to prove? That you are something more "superior" compared to us?

[Descenterace]

If so, he's placing the opposite beyond all doubt...

[Ashrak]

im gonna sound stupid.....what tech did we have BEFORE WW2 and what tech we have NOW.....think about that a bit then you will realize that conflict is the quickest way of evolution

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Ashrak
im gonna sound stupid.....what tech did we have BEFORE WW2 and what tech we have NOW.....think about that a bit then you will realize that conflict is the quickest way of evolution

Technological development, sure. Evolution?

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Levyathan
Hmm. Similarities?

Ahh, as soon as I read Eddie's post I was hoping someone would post that thread.

Originally posted by Flipside
...Xion....

You have a problem with spelling it "Zion"?

Anyway, think about what Smith said to Morpheus in M1, about the first Matrix being an utter failure due to the machine-perfection inherent in it. So perhaps they improved (or degraded) the matrix as much as they could, and then did the matrix-within-a-matrix thing simply to catch all those humans who were smart enough to see beyond the veil.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Ahh, as soon as I read Eddie's post I was hoping someone would post that thread.

My brother and I thought this theory up, over many dinners... thought it was unique. Looks like someone beat us to it.

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Sandwich

You have a problem with spelling it "Zion"?
 

Actually, yes, I do, my keyboard is screwed and the only way I can get a Z out of it is to hammer it repeatedly until it figures out what I want, I got fed up with typing the post, so I changed it to an 'X' I suppose I could have CTRL C'd a Z like I did here, but I couldn't e bothered.

Flipside

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Descenterace

Spoiler:

BUT why did the Machines release these people?

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i'm going to stop typing ini spoiler tags, because as someone pointed out, this is a spoiler THREAD...


Anyway, the machines never 'released' the people that now form Zion... it was stated in the first movie, that when the machines started taking over humans, a small group hid away, forming the underground "Zion"... over the years they've 'released minds' (as Morpheus' crew did with Neo) until Zion has grown and grown and grown.  That's why the machines are trying to find and destroy Zion... they never wanted it to happen in the first place.

But here's my #1 reason why Morpheus, Zion, etc. are still in the matrix:

-- The Architect said that this was the sixth version of the matrix... there had been five versions before it, and he mentioned that Zion had been destroyed in all previous versions of the matrix, and that they (the machines) were getting increasingly proficient at destroying it (since this would be the sixth time doing it)

Note what he said... if you have Reloaded, watch that part... if Zion was part of the real world, and it was destroyed, how could it suddenly "pop back" so the machines could destroy it again?  If it was in the Matrix it could, just as there had been 5 previous "Neo"s, there are five previous "Zion"s...It's obviously still part of the matrix, another illusion the machines created... so in reality no one's escaped from the Matrix yet... This is shown by Neo's ability to destroy the sentinels... remember,the whole "prophecy" thing is only when he's IN the matrix... outside the matrix he's just a regular human (or so we thought until he destroyed the sentinels, meaning if he had the power to do that, he must still be in the matrix), a regular human, like Morpheus, Trinity, or anyone in Zion in REAL life... would never have the power to destroy sentinels by looking at them, since no average human could.  Neo's obviously part of the matrix still, meaning the world they think is real, is still part of the matrix.

Any questions?  (i could go on but i won't )