[castor]

I've posted over on one of the mac forums inviting them to feel free to register on HLP and VWBB.

Say it with me... MAC SUCKS!

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Hippo
Say it with me... MAC SUCKS!

is that a value judgement?...


Say it with me: To each thier own

[kode]

os x is very seksi. and it's great that there are people playing fs2 on the mac, too.

[Descenterace]

If Mac sucks, Windoze sucks even more.  Doesn't stop me using it, though.  The advantage of Windoze is that almost every PC game has a Windoze version, but Mac and Linux versions are rarer.

I think that Microsoft should produce a single-tasking version of Windoze.  Just the underlying subsystem and drivers.  It would be used for playing games, because if you're in the middle of a game you don't need the multitasking capability.  The Wine program for Linux is similar to this: Linux single-tasks, so it's more stable, and Wine lets you run many (er, some?) Windoze programs, but Wine can't provide DirectX functionality to the level required by most games.  So hows about a cut-down version of XP that doesn't waste 20% of the CPU's processing time multitasking, and instead funnels it all into framerate?

[Fineus]

Originally posted by Turnsky
Say it with me: To each thier own

Well said, I like to think of these things like cars. Each has thier purpose. Business' use run of the mill Ford Escorts, power gamers use suped up Suberu Imprezas or something and so on. Each has their place in the world and while one group may look down on the other - you have to realise that you simply do not have the need.

I think it makes sense

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Ransom Arceihn
Thought so. Full of bias.

I own both a Mac and a PC, and I still think OS X is much better than XP. I use my PC for playing games more, because it's much better at doing it than my Mac. To be honest the only reason I didn't get a Windows laptop rather than a Mac one was because Mac has its share of high quality games too, which aren't available on any other platform. Not as many as Windows, but I don't mind. Besides, Macs get almost every worthwhile Windows game ported anyway. I'm not really biased either way towards Mac or Windows.

Not all of us Ransom. Don't judge the entire community by some fools who'd turn people away for daring to use a different operating system.

As I said before every single person who comes to HLP and stays is one more potential player of my own campaigns. The more numbers we have here the better for everyone concerned. I personally welcome any mac users who want to join the community. As for the rest of you am I really the first to notice that Ransom needs the welcome beam shot at him?



Hippo : I really hope I'm not going to see the same stupid attitude if any Amiga users show up too. Cause if they do and you do insult their machines you are far more stupid than I had given you credit for.

[Kosh]

I think that Microsoft should produce a single-tasking version of Windoze. Just the underlying subsystem and drivers. It would be used for playing games, because if you're in the middle of a game you don't need the multitasking capability.

Enter XBox.....

I own both a Mac and a PC, and I still think OS X is much better than XP

I do agree about that, but OSX is available for macs only. Remember, apple only has a 3% market share.

[Descenterace]

Problem with XBox is, it doesn't run existing Windoze games without some effort being put into porting them.  Plus, it crashes.

[StratComm]

I don't like Macs, but mainly because of the software availability issue.  That and the fact that "backwards compatability" is a term apparently lost upon Apple's software engineers, as evidenced by OSX's Classic Mode (dual boot into OS9), make them extremely frustrating to work with.  And you think Windows is unpredictable... I've had three Mac's with identical hardware respond in completely different ways to a full drive image.

I also spent last summer in a support position at a local college... PC's are so much easier to manage on a network.

[Galemp]

Originally posted by Kosh
Remember, apple only has a 3% market share.

7%, actually, and growing.

And OSX is built on Unix, don't you know. It's as stable as a rock, the interface is gorgeous, the applications are beautiful, reliable and functional, and the computers themselves are works of art.

What has Microsoft done for you recently? Bug fixes and patching security holes?

In the last year Apple has released the G5 (world's fastest personal computer), a new line of iPods, the world's smallest and largest laptops, the iTunes music store, iTunes for windows, and their new operating system. The software updates they publish are adding more features, not fixing bugs, because there are no bugs. Macs work easily with any hardware you plug into them (so you can use your Microsoft five-button USB optical mouse with no problems) and they can transfer files made on a PC seamlessly.

You really need someone to show you the OS to appreciate its beauty, though. But enough from me... is there a link to the Beta port yet?

[Hippo]

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[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Kalfireth

Well said, I like to think of these things like cars. Each has thier purpose. Business' use run of the mill Ford Escorts, power gamers use suped up Suberu Imprezas or something and so on. Each has their place in the world and while one group may look down on the other - you have to realise that you simply do not have the need.

I think it makes sense

true... and hippo... you tell that to the people who have used a mac... i for one never used them..

[Drew]

Originally posted by Galemp

What has Microsoft done for you recently? Bug fixes and patching security holes?

actually, i havnt had any problems with XP (besides what i do to it, which i promply fix)


but whats funny(all of thist story is true), my freind has a G4 or sumthin  (it was new, thats all i know) with OS X
so i was gonna check some of the forums i usually look at, so i fire up the Mac version of IE and poof! the mac stops responding! Just like a windows freeze.
so my freind trys to do a forced shutdown; to make it short, we had to go around and unplug it to get it working again.

all cuz i clicked on the IE icon!

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Hippo
I'm not trying to say Macs are the worst thing you could buy and will burn down your house. I lived with 3 Macs for 5 years. I'm not saying that they aren't a decent company. I am simply saying that PCs are still quite better then Macs, since I havent seen any evidence otherwise. If you're going to whine and try to prove me wrng and that Macs are as good or better then PCs, thats fine, thats your opinion. But I still have mine.

This is exactly what happened on the VBB before it was shut down. One person says one thing that they truly belive, and they are ripped to shreds because someone else thinks differently.

I've heard enough.

Hippo. There is a large difference between what you say above and your earlier postings. I don't mind you having a difference of opinion from me but I do expect you to show some tact.

I mentioned in the first post on this thread that I'd told all the freespace fans on that mac forum that they were welcome to come over here and register. If you'd thought a little before posting you might have realised that one of the first threads any mac user is going to click on will be this one. How welcome do you think most of them are going to feel when someone is making trollish comments like your earlier ones?

Funny you should mention the VBB cause one of the other big problems with it was that it didn't make newbies feel very welcome.

As far as I'm concerned any fan of Freespace should be made to feel welcome here. I'd rather that those people were happy to post here and felt that they could contribute to the community. Porting the FS2 code to OS X is quite an acheivement and there are a lot of talented people who use macs. I'd rather see these people contributing to the wider FS community than sitting around on mac boards and not working on mods because there isn't a wide enough audience for them.

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Galemp


7%, actually, and growing.

And OSX is built on Unix, don't you know. It's as stable as a rock, the interface is gorgeous, the applications are beautiful, reliable and functional, and the computers themselves are works of art.

What has Microsoft done for you recently?  

Released Windows XP, which is l33t.

Incidently, the G5 is not the worlds fastest personal computer. The benchmarks were rigged in macs favour.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Galemp

And OSX is built on Unix, don't you know. It's as stable as a rock,  

i can say the same thing.
Windows is based on DOS. DOS = 0wnage (i dont really need to go into specifics for that one. )

But what their based on dosnt make them good or bad (so to speak) . See my above post. If a Mac can freeze when i try and run IE, there is definitly a problem.

[Descenterace]

Any multitasking system is based around some form of memory manager.  This means that programs have to use an inordinate number of pointers to keep track of data that is being shifted around in memory.  When dealing with pointers, one null in the wrong place causes a General Protection Fault.  Hence, any reasonably-complex program written for a multitasking operating system is likely to crash occasionally.  These software companies don't have the time or money to hunt down every last bug (although Microsoft certainly has the money...)

EVERY multitasking operating system has problems with crashes.

I have to admit that XP is the best Windows yet, because the OS itself has never crashed on my machine (it tends to reboot just after I log in when I boot it up from cold in the mornings, but that's coz I installed a new motherboard without reinstalling Windows, and it's confused about drivers).  A lot of programs running on top of XP HAVE crashed, though.  So it isn't necessarily the operating system's fault.  If one crashing program brings them all down: that's the operating system's fault (see Win95, Win97, Win98, WinME and all 16-bit versions of Windows).

I'll also admit that Macs are far more stable than Windows PCs.  I don't know why this is, but it probably has something to do with Microsoft's method of 'improving' Windows, which most likely involves putting a bunch of green programmers on the task without any information on what the existing code actually does.  Same principle as most bloatware, really; the old, redundant code is left in because no one knows if it's essential or not and the project deadline is too close to allow experimentation...

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Carl
so, there's a whole other FS community we haven't heard of?

Now that's what I'm really wondering about.

Hmmm, here's something.
http://www.icculus.org/freespace2/

[karajorma]

Is this a different Linux port from the one mentioned in the SCP forum? If so we really ought to get these guys over here.

[Bobboau]

now we know about icculus, the SCP has been working sort of with them, though there project is more dedicated to converting the origonal at the cost of windows compatability