[Kazan]

We should all feel violated, we all have been violated.  Who are we? Circumcised males, particularily those of us (like myself) that were multilated as infants.

Circumcision practices in western society are completely based upon myth[/i] - both religious and medical.

I will attack the medical myth to avoid the legions of zealots ready to defend their "moral decision" without logic.  The medical myths are as follows:
 1) That circumcision is more clean - this is a myth of oversimplification, the circumcised penis is easier to keep clean, but it is no more clean than the uncircumcised penis.  uncircumcised males must simply manually retract their foreskin to clean
2) Ignorance is rampant among medical people about penile and foreskin development. Many still believe that the foreskin must be retractable at birth or by ages 3 to 5. They often diagnose this non-retractability as "phimosis" and will either suggest circumcision or try to forcibly retract the foreskin. ( http://www.noharmm.org/knowrights.htm )

For the long list of the damages caused by circumcision read http://www.noharmm.org/advantage.htm


What must you do? Lend your sons the same protection that you lend your daughters, do not let their genitals be multilated!

What about those of us that were multilated Some (nonsurgical) restoration is possible, but the more complex/important functions are lost forever - read up on what can/cannot be restored at http://www.norm.org/lost.html

[Taristin]

Well, although it's probably more than you care to know, I've not been cut, so...

[Kazan]

I don't mind openness, consider yourself very lucky  -- rest assured i consider you very lucky


little snippet that is burried in there on "female lubrication problems" - it's not really a problem with the woman, but a problem with the male - the circumcised male penis pulls the lubrication out of the vagina where it will evaporate - and the intact male penis's foreskin never fully retracts - reducing friction - not to mention one of the purposes of the foreskin is the lubricate the glans and protect it

[an0n]

Hehe. 'Moist'.

[Kazan]

come on.. none of that - no useless posting in this thread please - I want a serious discussion on this

[Stealth]

Oh, and before i look at any of the websites you posted, could you assure me that there's no pictures on them?

kthx

[Taristin]

There are none.

[Kazan]

there are some pictures on them - but they warn you about those pages - i haven't directly linked to any pictures again

an0n: we're not advocating antisematism - just combating MGM

[an0n]

I'm not anti-semitic. People can believe whatever the hell they want. It's just that the leaders and influential members of the Jewish religion tend to do some questionable things nowadays. Therefore anyone who subscribes the ideals of those people is somewhat tainted in my book.

In short: I'm fine with the religion, it's just Jewish people that I don't like.

[Kazan]

anyone who subscribes to any religion is intellectually dishonest in my book - but i didn't want to get into that in this thread - and this is off topic in relation to the thread

[Stryke 9]

Me? Don't care. It doesn't actually impair anything (the whole "lubricant" bit is a stretch and a half, and the loss of nerve tissue isn't typically as serious as they try to make it sound, I don't think), is done at an age where you've got the memory of a goldfish and an already nonexistent pain tolerance and hence doesn't matter on that account, and just plain isn't as much of a deal as, say, the female version, which is quite harmful. I think I can manage to live a life without smegma, it's just one of those things I really don't need to get my day going.

[Setekh]

Guess I'll never know (circumcised here). Not really too fussed about what I can't do anything about - I'll consider it more if I have a son.

[an0n]

I am a Jehovah's Witness you goddamn fool. Now shut up and/or post on-topic.

[Stealth]

oh, and i'm not circumcised... (*attempts to get thread back on-topic*)

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Me? Don't care. It doesn't actually impair anything (the whole "lubricant" bit is a stretch and a half), is done at an age where you've got the memory of a goldfish and an already nonexistent pain tolerance and hence doesn't matter on that account, and just plain isn't as much of a deal as, say, the female version, which is quite harmful. I think I can manage to live a life without smegma, it's just one of those things I really don't need to get my day going.

the lubricant thing is _not_ a stretch and a half - do your research

the male version is QUITE harmfull - why don't you read the advantage page posted above

THERE IS NO MEDICAL VALUE TO MALE GENITAL MULTILATION - do you reading before you post

and babies do have a pain tolerance, and studies show that male babies who are circumcised have their pain tolerance _lowered_


your response is a classic example of psychological conditioning
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Setekh - yes, read up now, do not make any children you have subject to genital multilation - but there are some ways to partially restore yourself - none of the fancy things that require nerves and special cells - but the mechanical functionality [which is a fairely important thing in and of itself] can be restored along with the volume of the skin - but it takes time

[Grey Wolf]

Ehh.....  Why is this topic on the forum anyway? Seems like an odd thing to talk about on a forum for a site devoted to a space combat game.

[Taristin]

No it's not. It just shows the maturity level of some members.
[that was meant for stealth, but works for this too]

and babies do have a pain tolerance, and studies show that male babies who are circumcised have their pain tolerance _lowered_

Really? Wow. There's of information on that site. I do suggest reading it.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Ehh.....  Why is this topic on the forum anyway? Seems like an odd thing to talk about on a forum for a site devoted to a space combat game.

Men's health is not important to you?

[an0n]

I feel I should point out that by having the fore-skin removed, your....err...'phallus's sensetivity is reduced meaning you can.....'copulate' for longer.

Hey, I never used profanity! That's gotta be a first.

[Knight Templar]

What's the point in circumsicion anyway?