[an0n]

Jewish tradition mostly.

[Knight Templar]

And it helps them how?

... which is strange by the way, because my family isn't even jewish.

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Ehh.....  Why is this topic on the forum anyway? Seems like an odd thing to talk about on a forum for a site devoted to a space combat game.

That was lame..

[Taristin]

Actually it stemmed from Egyptian, but that's beside the point.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h


Men's health is not important to you?

Most people on the board who would be circumcised would have already had it done to them.  And if I were about to have a son, I'd most likely get my information from a better source than a site with an oddly-spelled domain name before I made a decision like that.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Most people on the board who would be circumcised would have already had it done to them.  And if I were about to have a son, I'd most likely get my information from a better source than a site with an oddly-spelled domain name before I made a decision like that.

A valid point, but before judgement is made, check out the resources listed, as well.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


I'd think somebody like you or Greywolf would notice that we are for the most part mature enough to have a forum on general discussion. That forum being Hardlight and the discussion being Circumsicion, his statement, comming from a long time member, seemed lame.

Get it now? I know it's hard, but thinking through your posts, if not at least your insults, would be A-1 supar.

I acknowledge your maturity, and I did not mean to insult anyone. I just believe that this is a rather odd place to have this sort of conversation, and that it is important to back up your point with sites from reputable sources, such as a government study by the NIH or by a study done by an independent university.  It's just that there is quite a bit of information posted on the internet, and the validity of the information varies quite severely from source to source, with some sites run by people who actually know what they are talking about and who make a informative and factually correct site, and others posting things that have been debunked by science many times over.  The point of the second half of this post being, does anyone have a link from a site run by a university or anything that would back up or refute the information posted in the original post of this thread?

Also, many of the links on that page link to other pages within that site, or link to one of two other pages ( www. cirp.org  www.circumcision.org ). Of two links that I checked that did not lead to one of those 3 websites, one link was dead ( http://archive.abcnews.com/sections/living/DailyNews/circumcision981113.html ) and one link ( http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7173/1616/b ) does not even make one mention of circumcision.

[Liberator]

So...what?
This has been done for many thousands of years to what effect?

What bearing does this have on my day to day life?  It was done 25 years ago and hasn't drastically changed my outlook on ,um, things.

I must be abnormal because my memory doesn't extend back to when I was an infant.  Anybody who says a young child has a finely tuned sense of pain has never played with a two year old.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I acknowledge your maturity, and I did not mean to insult anyone. I just believe that this is a rather odd place to have this sort of conversation, and that it is important to back up your point with sites from reputable sources, such as a government study by the NIH or by a study done by an independent university.  It's just that there is quite a bit of information posted on the internet, and the validity of the information varies quite severely from source to source, with some sites run by people who actually know what they are talking about and who make a informative and factually correct site, and others posting things that have been debunked by science many times over.  The point of the second half of this post being, does anyone have a link from a site run by a university or anything that would back up or refute the information posted in the original post of this thread?

Well that's a point.. but on the other hand, why would someone make up a bunch of facts about how bad circumsicion of they weren't so against it as to make a website about it. Not to mention Kazan being so strong about it. Not only that, but from a view of common sense, or mine at least ( ) circumsizing doesn't seem to have any positive effects and appears to have a lot of negative effects, fake facts or not.

Which brings me back to the point, what do the Jews, or Egyptians have to gain from cutting 'important' skin off of their cocks? Yeah, it could be some kind of weird religous **** I guess, but what the **** is it doing in today's anti-religous world?

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Knight Templar

Well that's a point.. but on the other hand, why would someone make up a bunch of facts about how bad circumsicion of they weren't so against it as to make a website about it.

You have to remember: People make websites saying that NASA worships matter and that the world is run by the Knights Templar and the Illuminati.  Some people just have nothing to do with their time except go and make massive websites explaining their views, no matter how crazy they are.  So the existence of the website is not enough to prove its validity.  To prove that, you need independent studies done by a variety of sources that do not have a partisan interest in the result of the study.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
You have to remember: People make websites saying that NASA worships matter and that the world is run by the Knights Templar and ....

You're saying it's not?

Really though, does it matter as long as circumsizing is a bad thing, or are you just saying you don't like the long list of suspected unsubstantiated side effects?

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


You're saying it's not?

Really though, does it matter as long as circumsizing is a bad thing, or are you just saying you don't like the long list of suspected unsubstantiated side effects?

I'm saying I don't like the long list of effects since they don't really list any evidence on that site which isn't on a site which would favor their cause. That's sort of like a person writing that NASA worships matter (sorry, I like using that example ) linking to a page saying that NASA not only worships matter, but worships devils, as proof, and having both of them be Geocities pages on the same account

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I'm saying I don't like the long list of effects since they don't really list any evidence on that site which isn't on a site which would favor their cause. That's sort of like a person writing that NASA worships matter (sorry, I like using that example ) linking to a page saying that NASA not only worships matter, but worships devils, as proof, and having both of them be Geocities pages on the same account

Well that makes sense, to an extent then.

[Whitelight]

Uh oh, this thread is doomed to being locked, so i`d better speak now or foverever hold my peace.

Back to subject.....
My dad lived to the age of 69 and was never deprived of his foreskin, as far as I can say he never had any problems..

Oh and foreplay makes for...... I`ll say no more.  

(edit)
I`d tell you to ask my wife but then, she would kill me, or deprive me of my manhood.

Both are very painfull and I will shutup now..

[Shrike]

Stop feeding the trolls.

One more insult/flame/whatever and I'll close this and start banning people.  The lack of maturity in here is just disgusting.  Act like grownups for once.  I don't get paid to babysit.

[Kazan]

Shrike - thanks

[Sandwich]

Hmm... interesting thread. Too bad Shrike intervened before I got here - I was of a mind to do something a bit more drastic than ban a few people here and there.

Circumcision:

- I've never heard of any Egyptian thing concerning it, so I'm totally ignorant of that possible origin.
- The custom of circumcision in the western world arrived due the the Jewish roots of Christianity, and the Christian roots of the USA, plain and simple.
- Considering my faith, I'm fairly well-versed in the religious side of "why", so...

Circumcision is the sign of the covenant God made with Abraham and his decendants, to make him a father of many nations, to be Their God, and they His people, and to give them the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession. (Genesis 17)

Pretty much the whole formation of Judaism and the Jewish People centers on this covenant, and circumcision is the sign of this covenant.

[Gloriano]

hey this is good one Kaz i must read all those links

btw i do have son:)


 another thread that got flaming when it's stop:sigh:

[Kazan]

Sandwich: i don't appreciate other peoples religion multilating my body

[Setekh]

Gaahhhhh. I hope I never have to delete two whole pages of flames again.

Heed your warnings.

[Kazan]

Thanks oh might Setekh... it's a little bit more on topic now.. though you did cut out a post of mine that was a two part post half *****ing about the OTness and have on topic... meh wish i remembered what i wrote in the on topic version

i must sleep.. therefore i will go to bed.