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OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
if we wherent supposed to have it, we woulnt be born with it.

Its pretty crappy that the babies or child does have a say in it.
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OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
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Sandwich: i don't appreciate other peoples religion multilating my body


I agree with you as far as that goes, Kazan. I was simply explaining the origins to those who might not know, as well as a bit about why it became the default for newborns in the US.

Seeing as the reasons are a covenant of faith between God and the Jews, I don't see any reason why non-Jews should have to circumcise their children. Whether they decide to do so out of medical/health reasons that may or may not have been explained to them truthfully or accurately is another story, which I'm not going to get into.
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I was circumsized due to a nasty infection during my first year alive. It was either that or live without a penis. And I'm happy. I've seen guys without circumsision and I'm even very happy. Ugly foreskin :ick

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some times circumcision is needed
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I'm not circumcised. :ha:

Infact, I've rarely seen anyone in Estonia, who is.
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But then, have you been actively looking?

 
OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
Research shows that in African tribes that do circumsize there are fewer cases of AIDS compaired to those that dont.  This is because the foreskin doesnt have the same protective substance the rest of the skin does.
Personally I'm not circumsized.  I don't really think its that important - either way has advantages and disadvantages - but its not really a tradition in my family or religion (well i'm not religious) so i wasn't circumsized as a kid.  And quite frankly, I dont want it done now.

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[color=66ff00]Frankly I'm pro choice. Religion and commonpractice be damned, nobody should have that kinda decision made for them.
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Hear hear.

 
OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
Got ,er, cut when I was around 10. It hurt for two weeks, and I had to go around the house in a sarong. Meh.

 

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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
But then, have you been actively looking?

There's a lot of nude people in estonia, trust me on that.

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Sandwich is right, circumcision did originate biblically.

 

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Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
I was circumsized due to a nasty infection during my first year alive. It was either that or live without a penis.

same here.

But what difference does it make to a 2 year old? Circumcision (when they were younger) hasnt psycological harmed or affected any ppl i know.  While the kids are young, i guess its the descision of the parents; they usually have a good reason.
 (personal experience, it dosnt really matter to a 3 year old. Really, it dosnt.  The only thing i actually remeber is me being able to eat all the hospital junk food i wanted to and being put to sleep right before the procedure, other than that i really cant remmember a thing.)



but i can see how being cut when your older has its problems
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Research shows that in African tribes that do circumsize there are fewer cases of AIDS compaired to those that dont.  This is because the foreskin doesnt have the same protective substance the rest of the skin does.
Personally I'm not circumsized.  I don't really think its that important - either way has advantages and disadvantages - but its not really a tradition in my family or religion (well i'm not religious) so i wasn't circumsized as a kid.  And quite frankly, I dont want it done now.


those studies were falsified

the foreskin has important immune system structures in it that are permanantly destroyed in circumcision - go read the linked pages
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OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
At ten? I'd have bloody well murdered someone.

I'm cut and I never gave it any thought until very recently. I've certainly never been bothered by my own cock. My wife and I are considering children right now (well, for after we move back to Australia). We're the sort that thing way too much about stuff, so we're already thinking about how to teach the children about sex, whether boys will be cut, if we'll christen/baptise the children, etc.

If you had asked me two years ago, or maybe even six months ago, I'd probably have given a reflexive 'Yes, he'll be cut.'. Somehwere along the line, very recently, I've been thinking more strongly about it and now I'm not sure. I'm actually leaning heavily toward the "not cut" end of the spectrum. I really can't explain why, either.

I won't go so far as to call this "male genital mutilation" and without a medical practioner weighing in, I'm not going to buy into the list of bad things. I'm just thinking of this on purely personal moral grounds. I just have to figure out where I really stand on the subject.
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OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
There are plenty of medical reasons for circumcision. I was subject to one of them when I was between 5-10 (can't remember when), and everything's fine and dandy now.
I do see an argument against rampant circumcision for no reason, since logic tells me that the foreskin has got to be there for something, even if it is minor.
And I really expected more maturity from this community surrounding the topic. It came up in school recently and half the boys reverted back to juvenile idiocy - I like to think that the HLP members are a little more sophisticated than my mid-secondary school yeargroup.

 
OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
well, i just saw some slides on STD's, so i am not really up to commenting.

i am not circumcised.
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OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
I've been circumcised, and I don't remember it, so I guess I have no idea what I'm missing.

Mutilating babies is still wrong though.
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Kaz: Oh, yes, everyone who disagrees is brainwashed. Uh huh. Because you know all that intensive penis-slicing propoganda out there. Dem durn Jews, they's not gonna stop till they've destroyed every foreskin in the world!

Seriously man, look at the hysterics that go on there. Did you even care about this before you read that page? Did you even notice any problem with it? If you've got, ah, performance problems and wanna blame it on your parents, that's fine, just face up to the fact that we all might not have such a big issue with such a small (and commonplace) thing. I read the entire page- it reads like every other half-deranged polemic against something obscure like microwaves or water flouridation I've ever read, and I have no basis- from personal experience or otherwise- to credit it any more than I do the guy who says the alien love gardners are killed by radiation from optical mice. You might as well face it, Kazan- whether they're right or not, they have absolutely no support for what they're saying on there, so they could just as well have pulled it out of their ass, and in fact most likely did. It isn't a fact just because some guy made a reasonably well-designed page about it- hell, were that the case, I think we'd all be obligated to join the Raelian church- they don't support anything they say, but they say a lot and they've got some SWEET flash animations to go with it.

Also, infants have a pain tolerance and a memory? Go to a playground sometime and watch the circus- every ten seconds one of 'em will fall down, brush their knee slightly against something, go wailing like their leg's been blown off, then forget completely about it in another ten seconds. When you've got such an undeveloped brain a little pain (in an undeveloped part of the body) isn't going to exactly scar you for life. And until I see some actual reasoning or factual support behind all this shrieking, that's the story and I'm sticking to it.
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I'm not even sure about all this pain thing. I'm pretty darn sure I was given anaesthetic. Does anaesthetic kill babies or something?